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Old 13-05-2017, 05:24 AM   #21
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Old 13-05-2017, 07:33 AM   #22
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Re: Did I cheat?

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Newcomer, so forgive me if it's a stupid question.

In a recent track I used a couple of risers from a sample pack, but I feel like I cheated in not creating them myself from scratch. Am I right to feel that I cheated? If I did, then presumably I should also feel that I shouldn't use synth presets.
In fact maybe I shouldn't even play my analogue piano because I didn't create the 'piano' sound myself.
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Old 24-05-2017, 01:22 AM   #23
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I thought using loops was cheating, so I programmed my own using samples. I then thought using samples was cheating, so I recorded real drums. I then thought that programming it was cheating, so I learned to play drums for real. I then thought using bought drums was cheating, so I learned to make my own. I then thought using premade skins was cheating, so I killed a goat and skinned it. I then thought that that was cheating too, so I grew my own goat from a baby goat. I also think that is cheating, but Im not sure where to go from here. I havent made any music lately, what with the goat farming and all."

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Old 24-05-2017, 02:20 AM   #24
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Old 28-05-2017, 03:45 AM   #25
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Nothing much else to say really. 110% this. Electronic music is literally the only artform where it seems there is this silly expectation that every single little thing be created out of thin air. Nothing wrong with filling in the nooks and crannies with some premade stuff.
Not sure I get this exactly. Wouldn't music electronic music be the genre with the most stuff not being created out of thin air? Loops, Samples, Etc? Personally I feel I always want to make everything. Mostly because I want to learn as much as I can about how to do things. That being said, at the end of the day all that matters is the end result (to your listener that is). They don't care how you got there. Then again, when you are doing things your way, you are more likely to come up with something unique.
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Old 28-05-2017, 04:50 AM   #26
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Wouldn't music electronic music be the genre with the most stuff not being created out of thin air? Loops, Samples, Etc? Personally I feel I always want to make everything.
I think it's good to bring something original to the table, but that might be a nice melody or beat sequence. For example, if you make melody-heavy stuff and just want to be able to play some key, pad or pluck-type sound, there is no reason not to use presets. I like sound design, so I often spend more time on it, but that's just personal preferences and not always good for my projects ^^

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Old 28-05-2017, 07:00 PM   #27
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Re: Did I cheat?

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Newcomer, so forgive me if it's a stupid question.

In a recent track I used a couple of risers from a sample pack, but I feel like I cheated in not creating them myself from scratch. Am I right to feel that I cheated? If I did, then presumably I should also feel that I shouldn't use synth presets.
In fact maybe I shouldn't even play my analogue piano because I didn't create the 'piano' sound myself.
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Drum loops is only thing I can get from these sample packs. Sometimes not even that.. Probably only loop I end up using in all of my tracks is percusion drum loop, just coz I hate making it myself.

Yea, like others said, it's normal. Everyone does that.

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Old 29-05-2017, 03:52 AM   #28
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Re: Did I cheat?

Of Course Its Cheating! You shouldn't used sampled acoustic instruments as well. You should be playing the real thing. But not only that! You need to learn wood carving to make that perfect drum for that perfect drum sound. That will take you 5 years to learn and 10 years to master both the instruments you want to use and crafting them. You also need to code your own software and build your own circuit boards for the electronic analogue gear. expect 10-20 years for that. And you'll also need to develop chord progressions and melodies that are not remotely like anything ever created. So when your 80 years old, you should be ready to make your own music.

I have mad respect for sound engineering and design and you should learn to design sounds for the sole reason of creating exactly what you want. You'll often have to compromise the sound that's inside your head when you use samples. However did Mozart create his own instruments? This is my philosophy "Good blacksmith, make me a sword and I will wield it" but there are some exceptions.

Here's a list of practical reasons to become a tweaker. (no, not that kind)

1. can help things fit in the mix better

2. can be truer to the concepts in your mind.

3. can create a fresh sound

4. can be a time saver instead of filtering through thousands of samples.

5. can make your music more dynamic. samples in certain ways are static. If you have more control over your sound, you have the ability to sound more dynamic.
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Old 29-05-2017, 07:11 AM   #29
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Well summed up and 5 good practical reasons.
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Old 04-08-2017, 04:52 PM   #30
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I think your issues go deeper than music. I don't think I cheat when I play a piano piece on the piano. Music is meant to be played, meant to influence. We take, share, copy and experience. Quit thinking about it.
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Old 07-08-2017, 01:49 PM   #31
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Re: Did I cheat?

Nothing wrong with samplepacks, IMO.. it's convenient and convenience is always good. It is a problem if you only use sample packs.. then you're just a really slow DJ, lol...and I don't see how you'd ever understand what's going on in your track that way. There's a whole generation of kids out there that think that's what producing is though, and that's kinda sad.. But then again, if they make great music, who am I to whine? One man's cheat is another man's shortcut. I'm not trying to impress anyone with the way I work, just the results. Only they count.

I don't use them that much simply for personal, workflow reasons though. I make better music when I'm jamming. Flipping through a list of samples (90% of which I don't like) kills my inspiration, ruins the vibe I'm producing from, etc.. it doesn't work for me. But I'll happily use the most played out presets and samples if that's right for my track.
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Old 15-08-2017, 10:31 PM   #32
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Re: Did I cheat?

I don't think samples are cheating. Presets are fine too in my book. I do however think that loops can be cheating, but that's a whole other ball of wax. It's not black and white, but there are extremes. It's silly to think we need to create everything including the instrument from scratch, but equally silly to take a few pre-made pieces and call it your own. Ymmv...
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Old 15-08-2017, 10:35 PM   #33
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That's for you to decide.
Will it sound similar to what other people make with the same loops/samples if that's all you use? More than likely.
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Old 04-05-2018, 09:26 AM   #34
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I think it's hard enough to create something that has an emotional impact and sounds good to yourself and other people. Using samples can aid that process but it's still a hard task in of itself.

I don't think it's cheating as long as you're happy with the result and you get the right clearance if you're publishing it.
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Old 05-05-2018, 07:22 PM   #35
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Re: Did I cheat?

It is not cheating. What matters is that you create your own song, that implies the chord progressions and melodies only.

Did Prodigy cheat?


They were extremely creative.

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Old 02-07-2018, 12:54 PM   #36
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I'm currently forcing myself to make a whole song using one shots from a sample pack rather that synthesising every single sound.
I'm struggling with that mindset, but at the end of the day I'm 100% aware that the end result is not dictated by the sounds you used, but by what you did with them...

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I feel the same. I feel bad when I use samples, so I try to do everything myself. And it motivates me from the beginning. With 17 years old, I bought my first Sampler, the Akai s950 and everytime I hear a cool sample from the lib, I ask myself how this sample has being created? Because every sample is just a programmed synth or real audio in a studio environment. It makes me nuts when I don't get it right. I still use drumsamples to stack them up, because I don't know how to make fat, huge drums. I do get it right to make these modern, thin drums - that's no problem for me. But these 80ies 90ies Sample-drumsounds...still a problem, even with using gated reverbs. And you get your own sound style - that's good.

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Re: Did I cheat?

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Newcomer, so forgive me if it's a stupid question.

In a recent track I used a couple of risers from a sample pack, but I feel like I cheated in not creating them myself from scratch. Am I right to feel that I cheated? If I did, then presumably I should also feel that I shouldn't use synth presets.
In fact maybe I shouldn't even play my analogue piano because I didn't create the 'piano' sound myself.
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It depends how the samples and presets are used. I almost always cut parts out of drum loops from sample packs to enhance my drum grooves.

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