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Old 20-09-2017, 08:42 PM   #21
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Love that "nobody" wants an iPhone but "everybody" wants to post about how they don't want an iPhone...
You got that wrong, it's not about iPhones in general, it's about this one specifically. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy any iPhone anytime. I'm talking about this one, right now.

Actually, you could use the 1159€ an iPhone X would cost you to buy an earlier version of the iPhone, like the SE which I understand isn't that bad and would cost you about 300€. You could even buy that second-hand and not give a fuck about owning the latest technological fist-up-your-ass.

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Old 20-09-2017, 08:51 PM   #22
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Old 20-09-2017, 09:07 PM   #23
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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

There's a new iPhone?

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Old 20-09-2017, 09:15 PM   #24
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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

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My iPhone is my mobile music box, an instrument, a sampler, a personalized library, a television, a movie player, a camera, a video camera, a picture editing device, a repository for my notes, to do lists, a repository for scientific papers, a video game console, a dictionary, a language training device, a personal assistant, and navigation system. Oh yeah, you can also make calls and video calls.

A lot of what I do for work, for fun, while traveling, and so much more is made easier and more enjoyable using my iPhone. Hell yeah, I love my iPhone. And given the storage hunger of a modern digital life, I am glad I have 256 GB storage and in excess of 2 TB cloud storage.

Just upgraded to an 8+ and very pleased with it. Also opted for an annual upgrade plan, so chances are the X will be next.
It's cool to have the other side of the argument, thank you for that. A lot of your points are pretty debatable, as I can do most of that with my cheap(er) (and I guess uncool) smartphone. But if you use it as a personal computer, I can understand it seems attractive to you.

It also reminds me one of the things I would do with that money is buy myself an actual laptop.

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Old 20-09-2017, 09:23 PM   #25
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Yea....so what is so innovative about the iPhoneX? Honestly, I have no idea. Maybe it is. But I doubt it.
Worthly LED, finally good faceID, OS 11, non-contact charging for multiple gadgets and so on. You should watch the presentation. I'm not saying that it is a huge success, but compared with the iPhone 6,7 and 8 - it is a success)
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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

I mean really it all depends how much disposable income you have (or it should anyways but that's not at all how our world works is it).
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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

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I mean really it all depends how much disposable income you have (or it should anyways but that's not at all how our world works is it).
I don't know, I think it's more about whether it does something you want or not. I have more disposable income than most people but I don't go buy a new phone just because it's new if I don't care about the things it does. I could also go out and buy a couple more guitars or synths, too, but I don't really need them and I'd have to find somewhere to keep them and it just seems a bit ridiculous because I'm already really happy with what I've got. Just because you have the means doesn't make extraneous stuff less extraneous.

Like if someone gave me an iPhone X, I'd sell it or give it away because I literally don't want one. I don't have an Apple ecosystem at home, it's larger than I want to carry, and not one single new feature excites me. It's not a matter of funds, it's a matter of interest. At that point, me having one is about it being a fashion accessory, and I feel like it'd conflict with my platform aquarium boots and mink stole.

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I'd probably go on holiday and go see something inspiring, make a memory... I like my phone to be a phone. I mean seriously it'll get to a point like total recall where we have phones in our hands, probably with a built in rfid chip for identity and general oppression of an indoctrinated population. So I really don't know what the fuck smartphones are playing at these days... the screen war, slim design, super graphics bullshit has gone far enough... it's like arguing over the length of a turd.

Next step is having a smartwatch that can be a phone and all that shit, or glasses... People staring at screens all day wouldn't be a fucking thing anymore... Maybe the human race will start socialising normally again. At least I can hope right?

I would AT LEAST get a tablet as it can do everything a smartphone can... but with a much better screen size for money ratio.

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You got that wrong, it's not about iPhones in general, it's about this one specifically. I'm not saying you shouldn't buy any iPhone anytime. I'm talking about this one, right now.
Well, yeah it is. A year ago we'd be talking about the old one right then.

I think your question is kind of redundant. If you were never going to buy an iPhone X then what you would spend your money on is a moot point.

You say you'd buy a laptop; so instead of buying a shitty laptop, what would you rather spend that money on? Totally redundant, seems more like chips on shoulders...

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Actually, you could use the 1159 an iPhone X would cost you to buy an earlier version of the iPhone, like the SE which I understand isn't that bad and would cost you about 300. You could even buy that second-hand and not give a fuck about owning the latest technological fist-up-your-ass.
Yeah, you could buy a four year old handset like the iPhone 5S SE and say it's cheaper. But then you have to ignore the fact that iPhone 5S pricing because a five year old handset totally had the same price tag today as it did five years ago.

Comparing X pricing to 6/7 Plus pricing, it's only 200 more for an objectively better handset... and if you want to buy a not iPhone with comparable specs and design, you pay a comparable price.

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A lot of your points are pretty debatable, as I can do most of that with my cheap(er) (and I guess uncool) smartphone. But if you use it as a personal computer, I can understand it seems attractive to you.
Yeah sorry, as someone who uses both platforms, Androids just can't. Google's user experience is in no way comparable to Apple's. I mean, good luck trying to get customer service from Google. My team probably spends $100K+ a year on Google products and services and we don't even have a sales rep, let alone a responsive point of contact.

And Androids don't deliver the seamless experience that you get within Apple's ecosystem. Even just Android devices talking to each other, my aDevices just don't interact with each other as easily as my iDevices ( I have one of everything - front end web dev ). Even worse is that each vendor has their own distros so if your aDevices are from different vendors, then that integration is even messier.

Desktop sync, cloud sync etc. You can say that aDevices offer all of these features. But to say that there's no configuration or additional applications which need to be installed on each system to facilitate such things is just a lie.


I get a new iDevice and I switch it on and everything is configured for me. There's no novelty in a new iPhone. Take it out of the box, login, put it in your pocket and get back to work. Job done.

To find an Android device which offers this experience, even the flagship Samsung don't work properly out of the box without some cognitive effort and "work" on your part... even if your last aDevice was also a flagship Samsung handset.

And I say this as someone who ten years ago was rabidly anti Apple... What changed between now and then? I started actually using their products.

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It also reminds me one of the things I would do with that money is buy myself an actual laptop.
Meh, for that price tag I couldn't find a laptop that I could actually use to do anything other than browse the internet... or watch my builds churn out super slow and sucky. My newest laptop is mid range specs (by my standards) and its retail is around $3K... for example.
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It's cool to have the other side of the argument, thank you for that. A lot of your points are pretty debatable, as I can do most of that with my cheap(er) (and I guess uncool) smartphone. But if you use it as a personal computer, I can understand it seems attractive to you.

It also reminds me one of the things I would do with that money is buy myself an actual laptop.
Kind of hard to put a laptop in your pocket.

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Funny, I just got the Iphone SE a few months back as my first smartphone and it doesn't have any problems I think the X fixes. I really only use it to make calls, manage my finances (which is a breeze with a few apps, makes what used to be an hour of work a week doable in a few minutes on my lunch break), do some light email, and the occasional google or navigation.

My problems are that the screen is too small to browse IDMf or do any serious reading and that I haven't figured out how to turn off the automatic focus/brightness control of the camera so I can get some of the shots I'd like. I don't think the X goes big enough for me to use it as a reader. I'd rather spring for a Kindle for $80 or so than pay the difference between the phone I have and a bigger one, and save some battery on my phone while I'm at it. And I doubt the camera is much more liberated on the X.

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Love that "nobody" wants an iPhone but "everybody" wants to post about how they don't want an iPhone...
And you're so much better because you want one but posted in the "don't want an iPhone thread"?

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Well, yeah it is. A year ago we'd be talking about the old one right then.

I think your question is kind of redundant. If you were never going to buy an iPhone X then what you would spend your money on is a moot point.

You say you'd buy a laptop; so instead of buying a shitty laptop, what would you rather spend that money on? Totally redundant, seems more like chips on shoulders...
I think the point of the thread was to question the priority for anyone to buy this new piece of technology. I obviously have no use for it, and I think Apple is strong enough that I can poke fun at the absurdity of their pricing and marketing strategy.
I think you're taking all of this way too seriously. Should I write a hundred-page argument before I can open a thread on an internet forum? Have I offended anyone by suggesting people should boycott Apple products? If you don't think the idea is funny, let it go. I think you killed it for me too anyway.
My position is not that of someone who can argue iOS vs. Android, or has a specific agenda, but that of someone who's just not part of this tech world. Again, if you have any benefit in using Apple products, it's all good. I don't have the kind of job you have, I don't live the kind of life you live; if you think my voice is irrelevant, just ignore it altogether cause I won't argue for it. It's like trying to argue owning an electric car to henry david thoreau.

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Yeah, you could buy a four year old handset like the iPhone 5S SE and say it's cheaper. But then you have to ignore the fact that iPhone 5S pricing because a five year old handset totally had the same price tag today as it did five years ago.

Comparing X pricing to 6/7 Plus pricing, it's only 200 more for an objectively better handset... and if you want to buy a not iPhone with comparable specs and design, you pay a comparable price.
is it really so? iPhone prices never go down, not even when a new one's out that outperforms the older ones? I have no idea, seriously.
Why is that so? I figure sales of older iPhones must go down when a new one is out, and then prices should go down too after a while?


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Meh, for that price tag I couldn't find a laptop that I could actually use to do anything other than browse the internet... or watch my builds churn out super slow and sucky. My newest laptop is mid range specs (by my standards) and its retail is around $3K... for example.
dude my laptop is 8 years old, and even then it was barely mid-range. Whatever I can buy for a grand is going to be a significant upgrade.

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I think the point of the thread was to question the priority for anyone to buy this new piece of technology. I obviously have no use for it, and I think Apple is strong enough that I can poke fun at the absurdity of their pricing and marketing strategy.
I think you're taking all of this way too seriously. Should I write a hundred-page argument before I can open a thread on an internet forum? Have I offended anyone by suggesting people should boycott Apple products? If you don't think the idea is funny, let it go. I think you killed it for me too anyway.
My position is not that of someone who can argue iOS vs. Android, or has a specific agenda, but that of someone who's just not part of this tech world. Again, if you have any benefit in using Apple products, it's all good. I don't have the kind of job you have, I don't live the kind of life you live; if you think my voice is irrelevant, just ignore it altogether cause I won't argue for it. It's like trying to argue owning an electric car to henry david thoreau.


is it really so? iPhone prices never go down, not even when a new one's out that outperforms the older ones? I have no idea, seriously.
Why is that so? I figure sales of older iPhones must go down when a new one is out, and then prices should go down too after a while?



dude my laptop is 8 years old, and even then it was barely mid-range. Whatever I can buy for a grand is going to be a significant upgrade.

Wow, you really came through in this post and thread.
I'm with you 200% on this; you're right.

I comprehend what you are explaining quite well.


Personally, my laptop computer was bought used and it's surpassed my expectations for performance once I got rid of MS Windows. It's an i5 quad core and although I prefer desktops, this is OK for portability. Next month when I have some spending money, for about 30 dollars, I will get a bigger battery for it so I don't have to walk for an hour and 1/2 to the one coffeehouse in town with electrical outlets AND good free wifi.

My OS was free, but I paid about 6 dollars to get it on a disc readymade.

Musically, it gets everything done that I need except for the softwares that I can't afford, like the really fancy VST instruments by Native Instruments.

I can't really relate to spending more than 50 dollars on a phone of any kind. I'd rather have a landline. I hardly get any calls; hardly make any calls, and I have to disable texting because of cellphone spammers. But my cellphone only cost TWELVE DOLLARS FROM WALMART, INCLUDING THE BATTERY!!!!!

So yeah, I'm not gonna ever be into the iPhone hype. I am still able to read this forum and post to it from a 12 dollar flip phone.

I know what iProducts are like; my mom let me borrow her iPod Touch when it first was invented. Really, I learned very well that it's just a gimmick and that eventually people are pushed into paying for firmware upgrades and wasting money on app after app.

Meanwhile, in the real world internet, you can download a freeware program for anything and accomplish much more on somebody else's "garbage" (used computer) from a recycled computer store.

And by using used computers you are helping to keep heavy metals and rare earth magnets out of the landfills which poison the water supply and cause autism and cancer and vitiligo and liver and kidney failure.

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@Jaded if a 3k AUD laptop is "mid spec" then I'd wager your idea of "mid spec" is quite different than most people here. Let us just call it 2,300 USD. I can't see even needing an laptop that expensive for music (as a hobby anyway). Though of course having a high spec music computer is ideal.

1K USD isn't even a tenth of a percent of my income (its like .035%) that seems like a big investment for what would essentially be a social media/text/phone call device. Even if I got it through a contract and it didn't change my contract rate much I just can't see spending that on a phone.

From my perspective it *seems* absurd and I think its very arguable that even if there isn't vanity pricing going on for most people its a vanity purchase (which is fine, but your iPhone doesn't impress me much). Maybe it isn't absurd.

The issue is for the average user, like myself, when electronics have become the new gold chain/fancy car it becomes difficult to know when price outreaches practicality. From what I've seen I don't know why I'd spend 1K on this new phone except to say "hey I've got an iPhoneX aren't I cool?"

Granted, I've bought some expensive ish phones. The last one I bought was a Galaxy S3. I forgot how much it cost and how long ago that was. So I suppose if the iPhoneX functioned and was more or less supported as long as I've had my S3 its not an off the charts purchase for me.

Having the latest tech just isn't a priority for me. I will give you the dumb/easy way all the Apple stuff works together is nice if you need it/can afford it. I don't need it. I've got Microsoft 365 through one of the Uni's I work at. So far it has been flawless across platforms and devices (which honestly surprised me as I've no love of MS even though I've been a Windows man since I was a squirt).

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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

Okay so was sitting in a meeting with an iPhone X and a Pixel 2 yesterday. X shits on the 2 and the Pixel owner was salty as for having a $1,500 brick phone. Also, where is the thread about all the stuff you would buy other than a Pixel 2
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Re: nobody should buy the iPhone X

I like how apple keeps raising the threshold for the cost. Each apple phone is the gateway drug for the next.

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