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Old 16-03-2013, 05:05 AM   #1
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Icon8 808 trap-bass problems

Hey IDM, I'm trying to use some 808 bass similar to this style:


but I just can't quite get it to sit in the mix correctly. On my bass channel strip, I'm using EQ, moderate compression, Waves Lo-Air and then a limiter. For some reason the lower notes are really subdued and the higher notes are too resonant, and it becomes severely detuned when a different top synth kicks in. I've made sure that there are no competing freqs with the bass (high passed everything else) and have messed around extensively with every parameter... but I just can't get it to work!! Any tips from someone familiar with this style? Thanks!

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Old 16-03-2013, 05:25 AM   #2
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

Can you link what you have?

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Old 16-03-2013, 09:48 AM   #3
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

Here's a really rough example of what I'm trying to do, this is the best I could get out the 808 bass.


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Old 16-03-2013, 02:18 PM   #4
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

Ugh, cut that high pitched harmonic mess. Or at least attenuate it. It's just annoying. It needs something sidechained to it or something to just make it less..

Annoying.

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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

turn all outboard off and just work with levels and inline eq... thats it. If you cant make it work with just that, then your choice of sounds is fundamentally wrong.

do not overcomplicate things

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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

When working with 808 basses, I find a little saturation goes a long way.

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Old 16-03-2013, 07:12 PM   #7
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

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When working with 808 basses, I find a little saturation goes a long way.
Yep. I like PSP Vintage Warmer for this, a lot.
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

try resampling the individual bassnotes to get the volume you want for each note.

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Old 16-03-2013, 11:36 PM   #9
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

I know of this problem, man. It's just how these basses work. The ones above 100Hz are going to seem like they are poking out more then the lower ones. Don't worry about it. There are still a number of things you can do, tho.

1) Use a bell curve EQ with a medium bandwidth to cut out the area in which the upper notes play around (maybe around 1.5 or 2 dBs) while simultaneously boosting the subs with a low-shelf.

2) Use a saturation/subtle distortion/overdrive plugin to help the lower notes to be heard. You can either use a send (much better results IMO) or a plugin with a dry/wet knob. I prefer to be subtle here, but that's just like my opinion, man.

3) Still not sounding how you'd like it? Try using multi-band compression to compress the upper notes a bit. Again, subtly is key here.

4) If it's STILL not sounding good enough (I doubt it), you can try compressing the entire thing a bit (preferably with a very transparent compressor). If that is still not cutting it, try automating the sub bass notes individually. I'd think that would be a pain in the ass, and I actually have never done anything like that (pain in the ass), but I'm thinking it could work.

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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

Thanks for the replies... YoMyEx, your suggestions made a major improvement, I think I'm starting to get a feel for it. Thanks!

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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

I'd use keytracking in a sampler on the volume. you can set this up so higher notes have less volume than lower notes.

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Old 18-03-2013, 12:25 AM   #12
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

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I'd use keytracking in a sampler on the volume. you can set this up so higher notes have less volume than lower notes.
this is the ticket, and what really upped my sub game (sub game james franco)
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Old 18-03-2013, 06:28 PM   #13
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

I would either do as Steeboo has suggessted or maybe seperate each note of the 808 into its own channel so that you can EQ and process appropriately to get each note resonating to your liking.
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

While we're on this topic which saturation and distortion plugins (preferably free) do you guys recommend for 808 bass?
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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

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While we're on this topic which saturation and distortion plugins (preferably free) do you guys recommend for 808 bass?
Honestly, if you're just going for subtle distortion, pretty much anything will do the trick.

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Re: 808 trap-bass problems

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While we're on this topic which saturation and distortion plugins (preferably free) do you guys recommend for 808 bass?
I used FabFilter Saturn and it sounds pretty dope, definitely improved the mix.

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While we're on this topic which saturation and distortion plugins (preferably free) do you guys recommend for 808 bass?
in the preferably free category, you could try Tal tube, but if you've got saturn I can't imagine why you'd be looking for freeware, unless that's a demo
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While we're on this topic which saturation and distortion plugins (preferably free) do you guys recommend for 808 bass?
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