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Old 02-09-2013, 11:02 AM   #1
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I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

title says it all i'm useless generally with music theory. I know wht works together but i could't tell you what it is

anyway these are the notes being used in the track i'm working on at the moment:


(in no order) A# G E F C


it's dance music so hence the lack of all 7notes in a key

any help please?

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:11 AM   #2
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

if F is the starting note it could be F major. Could be modes too.: Bb Lydian mode (raised 4th), C mixolydian (lowered 7th).

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:38 AM   #3
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

ah sorry, well the bassline starts on A#->G-E (going down the scale) but a key line starts on F and changes to G back and forth a bit with a A#-->C too (going up the scale)
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Old 02-09-2013, 11:50 AM   #4
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words kind of fail here. if you show it to me, i could tell you right off the bat

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Old 02-09-2013, 02:42 PM   #5
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ok no worries, here's the midi loops:

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Old 02-09-2013, 03:06 PM   #6
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

Pretty sure this is not one of the major modes :/ sounds like E phrygian with a raised fourth ...

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Old 02-09-2013, 05:09 PM   #7
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any chance you or someone could explain?
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Old 02-09-2013, 05:29 PM   #8
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

The problem is you have two minor thirds in a row (1,5 tones, E => G => A#) = natural tritone which if i'm correct does not exist.
Oh wait yes if you can fit a natural A as well in which case => E locrian (E F G A A# C D E). Considering your root seems to be A# , your scale should be A# phrygian ...

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The problem is you have two minor thirds in a row (1,5 tones, E => G => A#) = natural tritone which if i'm correct does not exist.
Oh wait yes if you can fit a natural A as well in which case => E locrian (E F G A A# C D E). Considering your root seems to be A# , your scale should be A# phrygian ...

Please anybody correct me.

A,A#,C,D,E,F,G,A yes that's A Phrygian according to [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]

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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

Uh yeah A Phrygian not A# sorry >< got confused.
So your first note is the root of A# lydian but considering the tritone you are more going for an E locrian / A phrygian type sound ^^

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Old 02-09-2013, 11:35 PM   #11
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any idea where i can get info on chords for that scale/mode? or any suggestions even? thanks again for the help so far
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

Well they are the chords of the harmony of F Major.

So from E : Edim7 Fmaj7 Gm7 Am7 A#maj7 Cmaj7 Dm7

basically your lick is an E diminished triad (root => minor third => diminished fifth) backwards

The locrian mode is based on a diminished chord, but it's hard to sustain that chord throughout an entire song, considering its jarring quality. A phrygian is more stable, and you can venture as well in D minor quite appropriately.
While in Phrygian the "flavour note" will be going from A to A#, and if you continue to run the scale up you will find a mild spanish flavour. Playing an Amino7 arpeggio and then putting the A# in place of the A root is characteristic of the mode. You can defuse it by extending it with a D minor arpeggio ... Idk just throwing basic ideas around ^^" and thinking in guitar terms (phrygian is quite a heavy metal mode)

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Old 03-09-2013, 12:14 AM   #13
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^^Thanks man, that's really helpful indeed


anyone want to throw in any other ideas please do too
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i recently got a chord suggester (app on the ipad)..
before that i had a book from cheepie book shop.. i'd put down a bass or a lead and then look it up to see what key i'm in.. if any.!

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Old 03-09-2013, 01:05 AM   #16
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same here, but i've learned something i'm sure
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

E Phrygian with a raised fourth wouldn't be Phrygian :/ also there is an A natural so the A# would be the fifth and be Bb

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Old 03-09-2013, 10:33 AM   #18
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So what key? And what chords? Haha I'm really confused now
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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

what you showed me is not a key because we didn't see all the notes, and what you showed us on piano roll is just a diminished chord (minor chord with a lowered fifth)

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Re: I'm relly bad with music theory... could yu help tell the key i'm in please? :D

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title says it all i'm useless generally with music theory. I know wht works together but i could't tell you what it is

anyway these are the notes being used in the track i'm working on at the moment:


(in no order) A# G E F C


it's dance music so hence the lack of all 7notes in a key

any help please?
Learn to transpose. i could help you explain more...

hit me up on skype i can explain.... mrsonnyboy

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