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Old 29-10-2012, 10:32 PM   #1
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What learning steps should I take?

Do you have any recommendations in what steps I should make in learning?

Right now I try to focus on some general music theory, and just finishing songs with mostly just presets and techniques I already now. Just to finish more songs because I think that's key. But slowly I want to add new techniques and new knowledge in my songs.

I don't want to learn everything at once, because that's gonna make it complicated. So in what order should I add stuff to my "learning list"?

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Old 29-10-2012, 10:45 PM   #2
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

I'd say learn things as you want to achieve specific effects/sounds in your songs and patches. I don't believe there is any right or wrong order to learn all this because honestly so much of it ends up being circular and topics can be related back to other topics in a fucking massive web of production knowledge; and then there's a million and one different uses for different effects and where they are in a signal chain.

Ultimately I think THE most important things you can learn to make your music slammin' are:

Arrangement & Gestalt Psychology
EQ
Compression

P. much everything else is secondary and mostly just for nerds to geek out over. So just, pick something you want to learn and master that shit. When I was starting out I'd do this: choose one thing I want to learn to do, and one of my vst's to try and learn everything about and dedicate an entire month to specifically those two concepts in the context of songwriting because that can always use more work lol. Just my way of doing it, might work for you, might. Find what works for YOU and do IT!
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Old 30-10-2012, 12:18 AM   #3
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

Try to find the thing that satisfies you the most. For some its drums, for others its creating synth patches, writing melodies, mixing/mastering etc. as said earlier, there is no right order of things to learn. Just remember to have fun

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Old 30-10-2012, 12:23 AM   #4
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

Just focussing on whatever has my attention the most has always worked for me.

i think what's important isn't so much what you do, just that you're doing something. Anything. As long as you're working on something.

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Old 30-10-2012, 12:26 AM   #5
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

gain staging > compression

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Re: What learning steps should I take?

Whatever you decide to do, do it at least a little bit every single day, no matter what

Oh and check out the ill.methodology workshop vids. Best $50 I've ever spent

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Old 30-10-2012, 01:14 AM   #7
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

I think the most important thing is don't try do sound like anyone else. Make whatever comes out without any preconceived notions as to what you "should" be sounding like. Don't try and do something that has already been done because it's probably been done better than you will be able to do at this point in time. If something you are making winds up sounding like something else that's okay also, just so long as the music that is being made is the result of an honest effort to make your music and not another artist's.

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I think proper gain staging will get you much farther than EQ / Compression ever will. Because if you pick complimentary sounds and don't start clipping shit you'll save yourself many months of heartache in the long run. Let your mix mix itself by making good choices early on is what I'm saying.

Mix quiet, don't worry about loudness, because that can be sorted out later.

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Old 30-10-2012, 01:35 AM   #8
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

^yea....picking sounds that work together w/o EQ is preferable...if not more than likely you'll EQ the life out of you mix. The more I understand about EQ and compression the more I create my tunes in such a way as to avoid both. I use compression almost strictly for character and EQs I generally find myself only using gentle shelves to roll off highs or lows.

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Re: What learning steps should I take?

pick something you avoid, and tackle it until you not only feel more comfortable, but enjoy it. For me it was percussion. And like someone else mentioned "work on what catches your attention the most". I listen to a lot of deep house, I have always been fascinated by the super clean, airy, even simple percussion of some deep house tracks, yet how they manage to have such emotion and drive and punch. As a producer that is what I wanted to achieve most, so I forced myself to perfect a house beat from the ground up. I read the dance music manual, and pretty well followed along. I knew that choosing the right sounds was #1, that meant clean, PERFECT sounds. Don't settle when choosing sounds. Then #2 was proper EQ'ing, removing unwanted lower end from EVERYTHING. Then getting the reverb right was next.

So it was this mentality that opened up the whole new world of percussion that I somewhat neglected and half assed before. There is no rush, just take in as much information as you can, and work on your weaknesses or what you avoid.

one more thing, FINISH tracks. If you always get half way through then lose interest, you must force yourself to reach the finished product, otherwise you will only be practiced at the first half or the process.

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Old 01-11-2012, 10:06 PM   #10
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Re: What learning steps should I take?

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I think the most important thing is don't try do sound like anyone else. Make whatever comes out without any preconceived notions as to what you "should" be sounding like. Don't try and do something that has already been done because it's probably been done better than you will be able to do at this point in time. If something you are making winds up sounding like something else that's okay also, just so long as the music that is being made is the result of an honest effort to make your music and not another artist's.

Practical advise and to piggyback off of this:



I think proper gain staging will get you much farther than EQ / Compression ever will. Because if you pick complimentary sounds and don't start clipping shit you'll save yourself many months of heartache in the long run. Let your mix mix itself by making good choices early on is what I'm saying.

Mix quiet, don't worry about loudness, because that can be sorted out later.
Personally, for learning purposes, I'd have to say the exact opposite. Find an artist you like, load one of their tracks into your daw and break it down then try to copy it. In my opinion, it's probably the best way to learn techniques you would have never thought of. Once you have an idea of what you're doing is when you should jump off the deep end and start creating original stuff. Remix comps are also a great way to learn about arrangement because the track is pretty much already laid out for you. That's just how I learned, ymmv.

Edit: As far as copying tunes, I'd suggest going for a genre you don't produce. Some of the best tricks I learned came from remaking Holst's planetary suite.

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Personally, for learning purposes, I'd have to say the exact opposite. Find an artist you like, load one of their tracks into your daw and break it down then try to copy it. In my opinion, it's probably the best way to learn techniques you would have never thought of. Once you have an idea of what you're doing is when you should jump off the deep end and start creating original stuff. Remix comps are also a great way to learn about arrangement because the track is pretty much already laid out for you. That's just how I learned, ymmv.

Edit: As far as copying tunes, I'd suggest going for a genre you don't produce. Some of the best tricks I learned came from remaking Holst's planetary suite.
that's a bit different though, copying somethign directly as an exersize is what you're saying, what rfj was saying was don't try to be someone else when you go to make your own tunes. you wouldn't typically release a copy of someone else's track, maybe post it to get feedback on it but that's about it. people would mob you for aping someone elses shit.

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that's a bit different though, copying somethign directly as an exersize is what you're saying, what rfj was saying was don't try to be someone else when you go to make your own tunes. you wouldn't typically release a copy of someone else's track, maybe post it to get feedback on it but that's about it. people would mob you for aping someone elses shit.
I agree with that completely. All I was trying to say was that you shouldn't be trying to reinvent the wheel when you're just starting out. To keep going with advice on learning to produce, Find ONE synth and learn it inside out rather than buying massive amounts trying to find good presets. What kind of music are you trying to make by the way?
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Old 02-11-2012, 12:29 AM   #13
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that's a bit different though, copying somethign directly as an exersize is what you're saying, what rfj was saying was don't try to be someone else when you go to make your own tunes.
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I agree with that completely. All I was trying to say was that you shouldn't be trying to reinvent the wheel when you're just starting out.
I'm not advocating reinventing the wheel here but, for example, some guy came on here about two weeks ago and asked "how can I sound like Trentemoller?" If you're familiar with any of his stuff then you know that anyone that is going to have the ability to even begin to try and produce something of that caliber isn't going to have to make a thread about it on a production forum.

What I was saying is that by making your own stuff, and trying the best you can to sound like you (whatever that may be) and not producer "x", who has years of teeth cutting under his belt, it will lead to less disappointment in the short term and, as a result, more learning in the long run.

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Re: What learning steps should I take?

Just take a general, deep interest in the kind of music you're hoping to produce and then start studying a couple of elements involved in the making of that genre. And if we're talking software, yeah a few tutorials here and there to help you out won't go a miss but ultimately, the best way to learn is to simply spend hours on end fucking about with the software. That's how I've learnt and I don't consider myself too shabby with the software I use

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