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Old 05-09-2012, 06:03 PM   #1
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I agree that it's great asian pop music is getting bigger in the western world. Anything that can cross cultural boundaries is wonderful. But ... PSY isn't some bedroom indie artist. His label would have a whole promotion and marketing division. They're one of the biggest in Korea. It doesn't really represent a shift in how the music industry works for me.

Also, the blogger doesn't address the central message of the song. You can read about it here.
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this is the first i've even heard of this soo

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Re: Gangnam Style - An Interesting Read

what a load of fucking bullshit

yeah, a korean LMFAO style act is so totally cross-cultural, establishment-defying and all about the art


seriously i want to kick that sanctimonious cunt in the teeth
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To be fair to the blogger he did witness a slightly overweight middle age man from korea singing in korean, with a subversive subtext become a pop sensation in the US. I can see how he got excited.
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Cool is dead. Because we’ve got too much information to believe you’re cool. We’ve got your high school photos, we know who you dated, we know deep down inside you’re just like us. And if you want to succeed big, you’ll realize that. Stop being Jay-Z or the rest of those performers saying they’re better than us, rather project the image that you’re just like us!
I find this true, and sad. This completely invalidates the point of pop stars. I don't want to see someone who's just like me. That is pointless. I want people that are genuinely weird, quirky, and different.


Because those people might be worth seeing.

EDIT: I want David Bowie, not Justin Bieber.

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This is a quote from the anonymous aussie rock band TISM you might enjoy Blingley. They protect their identities by wearing ski masks at their gigs, using pseudonyms, and avoid the mainstream media. They came up with gems like this:

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The answer that makes me sound good is that we desired to circumvent the cult of personality that is inherent in rock music by choosing to remain anonymous. Unlike every other band in rock we chose to be anonymous. The answer that makes me sound good would probably also incorporate some lengthy discussion about Brechtian alienation techniques, about our post modernist grasp of ever cooling universe, and a dehumanizing society encapsulated in the somewhat paramilitary aspect of our clothing. All of those things would make me sound good, but actually we’re really boring guys.
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I find this true, and sad. This completely invalidates the point of pop stars. I don't want to see someone who's just like me. That is pointless. I want people that are genuinely weird, quirky, and different.


Because those people might be worth seeing.

EDIT: I want David Bowie, not Justin Bieber.
I see things the opposite way.

I'd much rather see a normal group of people just doing their shit without pretending to be some more-than-human bigger-than-life bullshit. And I think bowie isn't quite the best example there because he was often a character, but he's always(that I've known, i'm not exactly a scholar on all things bowie) been a really down to earth guy and very humble, not like shitty pop diva Mariah Carey-esque shit.

i can't stand the fake-ass hollywood huge rock-star shit image. People who blow exorbitant amount of money on worthless shit on tour and make dumbass demands of red carpets and bowls of rose petals and 60 lardge towels and 40 small hand toweles all kept warmed blah blah blah. Give me the John Darnielles and the HORSE the Bands and the Books of the world, and keep the big ego assbutts. Give me someone who I can tell I'd get on with chilling out and maybe smoking a bowl or having a drink and shooting the shit with, give me real fucking people.

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Re: Gangnam Style - An Interesting Read

But can you dismiss the example of David Bowie because he was a nice guy IRL? I mean, isn't it a good thing that artists can be easy going, intelligent, and unassuming in their private lives, and be totally outrageous on stage or in a music video?

And sometimes the difference between being known as an asshat and being a "real person" is how much interest the celebrity media takes in you.

The whole notion of the everyman can be an illusion too can't it? That guy everyone can see a part of themselves in is can be just as manufactured as creating a gothic punk transvestite space alien mutant mouse. Which one could show you more about yourself or your culture?
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being real, to me, jsut means not posturing and playing up the whole dumb superstar image.

real people are diverse. so diverse that they all become alike. As they say: you're a special individual, just like everyone else.

but, take The Mountain Goats. John Darnielle is a very real guy, his songs are about real thoughts and things that bug him or make him happy or inspire him or whatever. When he writes a love song it's not just 'ooh baby I love you you are my everything cliche cliche', he doesn't write a song if he doesn't have an interesting way to say it. and his songs reflect the dualty or ambiguity of life. a song might sound happy but really be quite depressing or anguished. it might sound really dark or angry but actually be rather hopeful.

so yeah the everyman thing is as much bullshit as the superstar. that's not what I meant. I meant real people, people who are flawed and who don't pretend to be more than they are and who don't think they're better than you because they make music. As i said, someone who I can easily imagine just having a conversation with, or hanging out with, having a drink or a toke, beign silly and stupid and real with.

Both times I saw Tera Melos, they were really chill and we just kinda chatted about shit while i bought my merch from them, hell my sister got them all to draw a bunch of shit in her sketchbook. and they were happy to do it. Yako from Melt-Banana wandered around in the bar before their set and talked to people and wore a silly kitty cat fursuit and you could really tell she wasn't just doing a job or going through the motions, she was really enjoying being there, and interacting with people, and there was no ego or fakeness or anything. then they all got up on stage and played a fucking killer set.

kinda ties into another thing, not liking really big shows. it sucks that certain bands i love are so popular that they kinda HAVE to play stadium sized shows, because otherwise they'd sell out in like a minute... but there's so much less intimacy to that, there's no chance to actually get to interact with the band, it's more like watching a movie or a play, more detached. and maybe some acts work better that way, maybe those bands enjoy it more and there's nothing wrong with that, but i love being able to just approach someone before or after seeing them play a wicked set and just talk shit with them.

but then some people i guess need the dream of superstardom to get on with their lives? I always thought it was kinda weak myself. when I feel I need a fantasy i construct my own. i don't rely on a hollywood perfect image to be shoved down my throat for three easy payments of 29.95. And i don't need an illusion that I can get huge and famous and everybody will know my name and I'll make more money in one night than some people do in a year or their whole lives. I don't need a cult of personality and sycophantic worship and full catering with gofers to get me anything I care to have. i just need to be able to do what i want and enjoy it and then get on with life.

and the challenge of doing that is part of the fun, it's part of the reward. if I could just go buy every instrument i want tomorrow and then go on a world tour the next week on a whim, it would be empty. there's no challenge, no work, no character to it. I want to drive myself to the brink of destruction doing what i love. I want to be on the edge. I want to live at the top while I'm at the fucking bottom. and to meet real people who are weird and boring and insane and mundane and real while doing it. because that's really living. being outside your comfort zone. being out of control. not knowing what's going to happen, not living on a strict schedule. and then coming home after all that and getting a day job and being just like all the other people i met along the way.

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Re: Gangnam Style - An Interesting Read

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I agree that it's great asian pop music is getting bigger in the western world. Anything that can cross cultural boundaries is wonderful. But ... PSY isn't some bedroom indie artist. His label would have a whole promotion and marketing division. They're one of the biggest in Korea. It doesn't really represent a shift in how the music industry works for me.

Also, the blogger doesn't address the central message of the song. You can read about it here.
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being real, to me, jsut means not posturing and playing up the whole dumb superstar image.

real people are diverse. so diverse that they all become alike. As they say: you're a special individual, just like everyone else.

but, take The Mountain Goats. John Darnielle is a very real guy, his songs are about real thoughts and things that bug him or make him happy or inspire him or whatever. When he writes a love song it's not just 'ooh baby I love you you are my everything cliche cliche', he doesn't write a song if he doesn't have an interesting way to say it. and his songs reflect the dualty or ambiguity of life. a song might sound happy but really be quite depressing or anguished. it might sound really dark or angry but actually be rather hopeful.

so yeah the everyman thing is as much bullshit as the superstar. that's not what I meant. I meant real people, people who are flawed and who don't pretend to be more than they are and who don't think they're better than you because they make music. As i said, someone who I can easily imagine just having a conversation with, or hanging out with, having a drink or a toke, beign silly and stupid and real with.

Both times I saw Tera Melos, they were really chill and we just kinda chatted about shit while i bought my merch from them, hell my sister got them all to draw a bunch of shit in her sketchbook. and they were happy to do it. Yako from Melt-Banana wandered around in the bar before their set and talked to people and wore a silly kitty cat fursuit and you could really tell she wasn't just doing a job or going through the motions, she was really enjoying being there, and interacting with people, and there was no ego or fakeness or anything. then they all got up on stage and played a fucking killer set.

kinda ties into another thing, not liking really big shows. it sucks that certain bands i love are so popular that they kinda HAVE to play stadium sized shows, because otherwise they'd sell out in like a minute... but there's so much less intimacy to that, there's no chance to actually get to interact with the band, it's more like watching a movie or a play, more detached. and maybe some acts work better that way, maybe those bands enjoy it more and there's nothing wrong with that, but i love being able to just approach someone before or after seeing them play a wicked set and just talk shit with them.

but then some people i guess need the dream of superstardom to get on with their lives? I always thought it was kinda weak myself. when I feel I need a fantasy i construct my own. i don't rely on a hollywood perfect image to be shoved down my throat for three easy payments of 29.95. And i don't need an illusion that I can get huge and famous and everybody will know my name and I'll make more money in one night than some people do in a year or their whole lives. I don't need a cult of personality and sycophantic worship and full catering with gofers to get me anything I care to have. i just need to be able to do what i want and enjoy it and then get on with life.

and the challenge of doing that is part of the fun, it's part of the reward. if I could just go buy every instrument i want tomorrow and then go on a world tour the next week on a whim, it would be empty. there's no challenge, no work, no character to it. I want to drive myself to the brink of destruction doing what i love. I want to be on the edge. I want to live at the top while I'm at the fucking bottom. and to meet real people who are weird and boring and insane and mundane and real while doing it. because that's really living. being outside your comfort zone. being out of control. not knowing what's going to happen, not living on a strict schedule. and then coming home after all that and getting a day job and being just like all the other people i met along the way.
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i didnt read that but felt the need to quote it anyways because i'm a huge twunt-scunt.

^ i see what you did there lol i'll read it later. also, what in the fuck is a twunt scunt? lol

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