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Old 05-12-2017, 07:04 PM   #21
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To me it sounds unreasonable that artists wouldn't be skilled. I think being able to make and mix a track is much more difficult than what a ME does. And a ME cannot fix what's not already there. ME is merely finishing what's already done.

I would understand this argument in the case that the musician is not the same guy that does the mixing.

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Old 05-12-2017, 07:19 PM   #22
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To me it sounds unreasonable that artists wouldn't be skilled. I think being able to make and mix a track is much more difficult than what a ME does. And a ME cannot fix what's not already there. ME is merely finishing what's already done.

I would understand this argument in the case that the musician is not the same guy that does the mixing.
Sorry..but you're talking through your arse.

Like I said, to each their own..we're all free to believe whatever we want to believe, but that doesn't mean it's true. In the end, it's not about what either of us think or believe..it's about facts..and you really don't seem to understand them as much as you seem to think you do.

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Old 05-12-2017, 07:27 PM   #23
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Sorry..but you're talking through your arse.

Like I said, to each their own..we're all free to believe whatever we want to believe, but that doesn't mean it's true. In the end, it's not about what either of us think or believe..it's about facts..and you really don't seem to understand them as much as you seem to think you do.
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I don't think there are many facts regarding art.
We were talking about AIs vs MEs..why are you bring art into it and implying I said things I didn't?

Dude, you're either a troll or an idiot trying hard not to be..and failing miserably. I don't wish you bad or have ill-feelings towards you..in fact, I wish you all the best in both your life and your endeavors..but I'm not replying to any more posts you make.

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Old 19-12-2017, 09:24 PM   #25
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I use Izotope Ozone to do my finals. It's very decent. I believe the hard work is on the samples themselves, therefore the final ajustments come together just fine

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To me it sounds unreasonable that artists wouldn't be skilled. I think being able to make and mix a track is much more difficult than what a ME does. And a ME cannot fix what's not already there. ME is merely finishing what's already done.

I would understand this argument in the case that the musician is not the same guy that does the mixing.

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Old 21-12-2017, 10:54 AM   #27
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I use subtle mixbus compression (Slate Grey) on the mix. Just as slight to not upset the mastering engineer. When I master in the box, I add iZotope Ozones post-eq (highpass), Stereo imager and Limiter at the end.
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Old 21-12-2017, 01:19 PM   #28
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I use Izotope Ozone to do my finals. It's very decent. I believe the hard work is on the samples themselves, therefore the final ajustments come together just fine
So do I. And I use the presets that come with it. I always overdo it in the settings and this should only be a final polish.

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I just squash my stuff with limiters. If it's accidentally still sounding good, I clip it just for the sake of it.

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Sorry, but that's bullshit..pure and simple. There is no way for such services to perform better than "professional" mastering "engineers", as each track is different and requires a different approach to mastering. Although the AI involved in such services is improving all the time, the end results can be very "hit or miss", depending on the mix supplied in the first place.

Try telling an AI about the emotional impact you'd like reflected in the end master and see how far you'll get.

I tried Landr a while back. What came out of it was pure shit. It boosted a low constant side-chain compressed bass drone into a booming fuckyou to the point that the track was barely recognizable. It is a terrible piece of web-software.

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I splurged recently and got Softube’s CL-1B based Tube-Tech Classic channel. I like the final polish it offers and of course a tinge of U-He Satin never hurts.

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Coming from Ozone 6 and 7 I just got me the iZotope Neutron 2 / Ozone 8 Advanced Suite. I'm only 3 tracks in but so far I am totally amazed, it works great for me and makes mastering quicker and easier. Neutron Visual Mixer is a great final mixing tool. The Tonal Balance Control is awesome to quickly fix unwanted peaks and holes and Ozone got better with LUFS and reference track mastering.

You can load a reference track into Ozone and it will adjust the current track to match loudness, EQ etc to the reference track which is great as a starting point to have consistency over an album.
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Old 31-12-2017, 03:50 PM   #33
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Coming from Ozone 6 and 7 I just got me the iZotope Neutron 2 / Ozone 8 Advanced Suite. I'm only 3 tracks in but so far I am totally amazed, it works great for me and makes mastering quicker and easier. Neutron Visual Mixer is a great final mixing tool. The Tonal Balance Control is awesome to quickly fix unwanted peaks and holes and Ozone got better with LUFS and reference track mastering.

You can load a reference track into Ozone and it will adjust the current track to match loudness, EQ etc to the reference track which is great as a starting point to have consistency over an album.

Yeah..but make sure you keep an eye on that "intelligent assistant" or whatever it's called..the results it returns..although good..can still need adjusting a little or a lot..depending on what you're going for with your work.

I'm not directing this at you personally, Lichtgestalth..but to folks in general who are reading this. Like you said, it gives you a great starting point, but you still need to know what you're doing with it and don't just rely on the included presets. If you do, then you're doing both yourself and the software a huge disservice.

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I don't worry too much nowadays what i have on the master bus usually just a UAD limiter and maybe a UAD SSL comp if its dance orientated, i feel its what you do in the mix that counts.

They do say the perfect mix doesn't need mastering, however i can understand mastering to get all of your album tracks coherent.

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...i feel its what you do in the mix that counts.
I totally agree with that statement

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They do say the perfect mix doesn't need mastering, however i can understand mastering to get all of your album tracks coherent.
A good mastering always adds a little more life to your mix whatever is used on your master section during the mix.

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More and more I find that over-processing is really a problem in the mix most of the time these days I try to mix from a sound design sample choice Arrangement perspective I've been pretty happy with my tracks lately and I haven't even used an EQ on every track in the mix in fact I'm only averaging about 3 to 4 EQ instances in a project at this point
I think its a good idea to try to resolve eq issues closer to the source. That being said, I think I almost always use some low/hi pass filters and a couple notch eq's here and there. I just cant wait for a computer A.I. to do this for me.
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I think its a good idea to try to resolve eq issues closer to the source. That being said, I think I almost always use some low/hi pass filters and a couple notch eq's here and there. I just cant wait for a computer A.I. to do this for me.
I tend towards really, really gentle shelf EQ and notches only when I cast can’t make it work with gain staging/panning/planning (arragnement,sound design/choice). I don’t let mix concerns strictly dictate my creativity, but it pays to think both ways.

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Coming from Ozone 6 and 7 I just got me the iZotope Neutron 2 / Ozone 8 Advanced Suite. I'm only 3 tracks in but so far I am totally amazed, it works great for me and makes mastering quicker and easier. Neutron Visual Mixer is a great final mixing tool. The Tonal Balance Control is awesome to quickly fix unwanted peaks and holes and Ozone got better with LUFS and reference track mastering.

You can load a reference track into Ozone and it will adjust the current track to match loudness, EQ etc to the reference track which is great as a starting point to have consistency over an album.
You believe the O8N2 offers additional benefits over Ozone 7 Adv. (which I currently use and think is truly the best all-arounder for mastering).

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I have mastered my own tracks for years and I had quite a nice setup but then I started outsourcing it to a third party mastering engineer because I was struggling for time but more importantly because I wanted another set of professional and fresh 'ears' to take on the tracks. I still use a third party mastering engineer as if you find a good one they can really add some magic.

I have however used Landr on a couple of tracks recently and I have to say that it worked pretty well and I was pleased with the results. Their algorithms are much better than they used to be and like someone has already mentioned, they are improving all of the time.

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