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D42K732202 28-01-2016 12:11 PM

How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
how to make industrial vocal effects like in this songs:
1) Xperiment - The End Of An Era
2) Detroit Diesel - Speak No Evil

I already made ebm song now i must put some vocals. pls help

Evelon 28-01-2016 01:22 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Distortion, mostly.

D42K732202 28-01-2016 05:23 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
thats ol ?

oDDgOD 28-01-2016 07:56 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Depending on the sound you want, this video may be helpful. It shows how to get the God Module vocal sound. Seems almost too simple really. I hate that he doesn't explain what settings he used on the compressor though, that info would have been useful.

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D42K732202 29-01-2016 10:12 AM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
first song uses much more effects than "distortion, mostly" thats why asked for help guys :\

Evelon 29-01-2016 04:34 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D42K732202 (Post 1380809)
first song uses much more effects than "distortion, mostly" thats why asked for help guys :\

Sounds like distortion, highpass filter and phaser (and maybe some auto-pan).
It's also layered with some SC compressed noise (half note, ghost triggered), which makes it sound like its part of the vocal.

The fun thing with distortion is that you can whisper into a mic and distort it (and filter it) and it will still sound aggro.

candlesayshi 29-01-2016 07:07 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evelon (Post 1380861)
Sounds like distortion, highpass filter and phaser (and maybe some auto-pan).

Yeah, pretty much. A lot of industrial vocal processing has a lot of both the lows and the highs removed for that kind of "loudspeaker-esque" sound. Also, a fast chorus would go a long way too, I think. That was part of Ogre's vocal processing for the old Skinny Puppy stuff.

mholloway 29-01-2016 07:57 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Don't forget pitch-shifting, that's a major ingredient in the ebm/terror/industrial in general vocal style.

Evelon 29-01-2016 08:07 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by candlesayshi (Post 1380883)
Yeah, pretty much. A lot of industrial vocal processing has a lot of both the lows and the highs removed for that kind of "loudspeaker-esque" sound. Also, a fast chorus would go a long way too, I think. That was part of Ogre's vocal processing for the old Skinny Puppy stuff.

Now I wanna listen to old Skinny Puppy again. Flashbacks!

edit: also, chorus pre distortion sounds different than chorus post distortion. Could be worth experimenting with.

jVs 30-01-2016 07:55 AM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Just get a multi fx processor and a microphone, And if you want to take it to the next level, dub your final work to cassette and then mix it in with your noizez.

D42K732202 30-01-2016 02:44 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
thanks guys, much appreciated

MikeyOSB 31-01-2016 10:09 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
I know the OP is about effects. But it is essential to be able to sing (or growl) with distortion without screwing up your voice. Effects alone may not give you the right sound. If you want to be kind of like a Jean Luc De Meyer of Front 242 it can be kind of a moderate barely noticeable distortion. Push with your diaphragm and resonate it high in your nose and upper palate. Don't try to do it with your vocal chords alone, that will screw up your voice. I couldn't explain it all here so:

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You may not want to do "rock" vocals but it's close enough that it's good advice.

If you want to do kind of robotic vocals like you hear in some Electro Industrial, you can use a vocoder. Remember the synth sound is the carrier and your voice is the modulator. I got screwed up a few times thinking it was the opposite. What I do for a thin sound that still has a lot of harmonics is use a synth with at least 3 oscillators and pick a narrow Pulse wave 1st osc: no pitch adjustment 2nd osc: Pulse wave 1 octave down 3rd osc: Pulse Wave 1 octave up. You can try phasing or flanging on the synth sound to make it sound more tortured. Or unison mode to blur it.

LichLord 23-03-2016 03:47 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Before I move onto Vocal FX Chains, here's three points to consider.

1) (Power) Fry Vocals - If you can comfortably push out Fry Vocals with power and consistency then you can get away with only using a very light vocal FX chain if you're going full Aggro. This kind of vocal chain would be focusing on Minimal Saturation & EQing and focusing more on Pitch-Shifting and Chorus Modulation to the greatest effect. Best done through a Dynamic Mic since Fry Vocalists are usually pretty damn loud.

2) Clean Fry - Depending on the ability to actually have an 'ok' singing voice and not sound completely tone deaf, clean vocal-work usually works pretty well singing in the mid-low octaves. As opposed to Fry-Vocals, you'd be focusing more on Saturation & EQ and less on Modulation (a Harmoniser like Antares Harmony Engine EVO is awesome for this vocal style). A good condenser mic for this vocal style is a bonus. May sometime incorporate a lightly-applied typical Fry Vocal style depending on the vocalist in question.

3) Whispered Vocals - For the people who can't competently do the above two. By far the easiest to record but also by far also suffering from the largest FX chain to get it to sound somewhat decently. You're looking at multiple levels of Saturation across Low/Mid/High bands, Multiple Pitch-Shifting Instances, multiple EQ instances in precise points of the FX chain, chorus and Reverb. Condenser Mic recommended.

Below is what I have personally done before with Successful Result over time (In order of what to load):

Power Fry (Amduscia, Hocico, C-Lekktor, X-Fusion)
1) EQ (Boost 6.5k-9khz for Clarity, Boost 220-280hz to get some bottom-end)
2) Saturation (Light Use)
3) Pitch Shift (50/50 Wet-Dry, Pitch +1 )
4) Pitch Shift (50/50 Wet-Dry, Pitch -2 )
5) EQ (Boost the same values as the first EQ but at only half of the gain and make the bands wider)
6) Chorus (2 Voices, Set Wide at Medium Depth and around 30/70 Wet/Dry)

Clean Fry (Wumpscut, Velvet Acid Christ, SITD, Die Sektor)
1) EQ (Boost 6k-8khz for Clarity, Boost 200-260hz to get some bottom-end)
2) Multi-Band Distortion (Medium Use, the lower your voice, the more you boost)
3) Pitch Shift (40/60 Wet-Dry, Pitch +1 )
4) Pitch Shift (40/60 Wet-Dry, Pitch -1 )
5) EQ (Boost the same values as the first EQ but at only half of the gain and make the bands wider)
6) OPTIONAL - Harmoniser (Harmony Engine EVO or Melodyne Strongly Recommended)
7) OPTIONAL - EQ=Post-Harmonising - (subjective to how you've Harmonised the vocals)
8) Reverb (20-80 Wet/Dry, 600-800ms Decay, Minimal Diffusion)

Whispered Vocals (Asphyxia, Wynardtage)
1) EQ (Boost 6.5k-9khz for Clarity, Boost 1.2K-3k aswell)
2) Saturation (Heavy Use)
3) Pitch Shift (50/50 Wet-Dry, Pitch +1 )
4) Pitch Shift (50/50 Wet-Dry, Pitch -1 )
5) EQ (Mid-Pitch Shifting, Lightly boost the same values in EQ-1)
6) Pitch Shift (50/50 Wet-Dry, Pitch +2 )
7) Pitch Shift (50/50 Wet-Dry, Pitch -2 )
8) EQ (Post-Pitch Shifting, Lightly boost the same values in EQ-1)
9) Saturation (Post-Pitch Shift, Light Use)
10) Reverb (20-80 Wet/Dry, 750-1000ms Decay, Medium Diffusion)

Plug-ins of interest:
Aegean Pitchproof - It's a freebie Pitch-Shifter which I have been frequently using for Pitch-Shifting vocal work in. Highly recommended.
Softtube Saturation Knob - Another Decent Freebie, a good alternative for users who do not have Ohmicide.
u-he Protoverb - Free, Algorithmic Experimental Convulsion Reverb. Simple to use, you might even get lucky on the randomising and get something awesome.

Alternatively you could invest in a Boss SE-50 from the 2nd hand market and plug your Mic into it. Set the Pitch-Shifting to +1, -1, +2, -2 and away you go! I have one and they're super fun to use for live vocal mock-up's (plus I can whistle into it and sound like one of the Clangers :P

chasedobson 23-03-2016 08:32 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
No new info for me here but damn, I gotta commend you on your last post.

Comprehensive as fuck.

D42K732202 24-03-2016 12:46 AM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
well thank you, i already discovered whispering type you were talking about
you split channel into 4, put different distortions on 1 and 2, use very messed up vocoder on 3nd (so output will be close to static noise but still barely distinguishable) and fourth is less distorted but reverbed, then put weak overall disto for more cold sound, i also cut lows and highs instead of boosting them because it removes lot of unneeded noise

ill try your techniques, but i dont think first 2 will be useful because im totally tone deaf:killme:

alternating.bit 07-07-2016 11:08 AM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeyOSB (Post 1381386)
If you want to do kind of robotic vocals like you hear in some Electro Industrial, you can use a vocoder. Remember the synth sound is the carrier and your voice is the modulator. I got screwed up a few times thinking it was the opposite.

I like how you state that as I've fallen into the same trap. I was actually looking at some vocoder pedals but then realized my Korg MS2000 has a built in mic/vocoder option, and it works rather well. Since I don't use it for that effect often, I have to practically relearn the procedure each time.

chasedobson 12-07-2016 06:02 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Regarding Vocoders, I just finished up a remix and used Ableton's Vocoder with Ableton's "Analog" as the carrier. Waves Morphoder has been my go to, but I gave the Abe stock one a go and I REALLY like it.

I'd post an audio example, but the tunes not been released yet. When it is I'll post a file.


:edit: posting this here as it is an industrial remix in the vein of mid 90's club stuff

MikeyOSB 13-07-2016 12:14 AM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by alternating.bit (Post 1404680)
I like how you state that as I've fallen into the same trap. I was actually looking at some vocoder pedals but then realized my Korg MS2000 has a built in mic/vocoder option, and it works rather well. Since I don't use it for that effect often, I have to practically relearn the procedure each time.

LOL yeah I was flipping out and even thinking there was a problem with the software!

hrmarvado 07-08-2016 08:32 AM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
One tip from me, never use distortion live. We have used it in our first shows and it was a hell. Feedback 100 procent guaranteed! :shitstorm:

thanatos 08-08-2016 05:07 PM

Re: How to make industrial vocal effects ?
 
vocoder with noise and whisper do the job most of the time


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