Listening BoothYOUR MUSIC ONLY. Don't post music from your label or DJ night. No podcasts or radio shows, just individual tracks. Give some feedback, get some in return.
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[Genre] Artist - Title
Wes mate, you're free to do as you please and so is IDMf. The label is not holding you back in any way or stopping you trying your luck with an almost infinite number of other labels out there. Almost all labels have some basic criteria they ask potential artists to follow once you look into it. Whether it's preferring hard or soft copies of the tracks, or how you label your stuff with your contact info. Also, most labels won't even take the effort to reply to "time-wasters" so we're already ahead of a lot of them. Why assume a hostile position when you're trying your luck? It doesn't make any sense going forward. Follow a few simple requests and you're likely to find potential partners a lot more accommodating.
I have a couple of questions related to the below (I appreciate it is an old post).
You mention the fact that you won't listen to songs that have already been downloaded and listened to by a heap of people already. I appreciate this, but surely it's not fair to say an artist should refrain from making their music public and hold on to it for weeks and weeks in the hope someone from a label responds. It's just a thought here but I'm sure you can see where I'm coming from. Most people want their music heard and hopefully appreciated. I don't think that's to say they aren't specifically interested in your label, but to say 'you've already put that song on soundcloud so we won't touch it' seems a bit draconian?
I don't mean that to sound argumentative, but it's just a surprise to me and apparently seems like I've been doing things wrong all this time.
No labels accept music that's public. At least this has been the case with every label I've ever read the submission guidelines for. If you're still at the point where you can't wait a few weeks because you want your newest track to be available NOW NOW NOW, then you probably need some more time making music before submitting to labels.
lolirl, I definitely wasn't adopting a hostile position so apologies if that's how it came across. It was just surprising. I hadn't even considered that being an issue in the past. It's very useful to have that information now and is something i'll take into accound going forward. to reiterate though, i wasn't complaining, and i respect your decision around only wanting previously unpublic songs. I did have a couple of tracks i was going to send over but in reflection I'll wait until i've finished the ones i'm working on now and drop them over without them being public.
Share where? If you want to submit something to be reviewed by the label look at the first post. If you just want to share a release there is a member releases section, however you need to have 30 posts and be a member for a week first. And by 30 posts it's not spam posts; posts that contribute to the forum.
Hi, I just submitted a private soundcloud demo to your email.. It's only one track though as I didn't read the rest of the thread where you recommend submitting more than one piece until after I'd already sent it (its not written in the original post).. Will it be ok? I don't want to clutter your inbox.. Also I didn't write much about myself in the email, but I put a mini press release etc into the description for the track instead..
Actually I pasted the soundcloud link and then said cheers, chile. And I did read what you'd written in the origiunal post carefully.. You don''t mention to write anything in the email in the original guidelines.. You just say to send submissions to this email with DEMO in the title, which I did. I wasn't trying to be rude to you, its just I wasn't aware that I had to read the rest of the thread, where you add that people need to submit more than one track and that you need to provide info and ideally photos in the email. I didn't think you'd want a long message since you mention you get a lot of demos in. It'd probably be helpful if that information is editted into the first post, if thats what you want from the people submitting tracks to you.
I hope you can understand that I wasn't trying to wind you up or disrespect you guys. I've been a member of this forum for many years, but haven't contributed much or been on much as I didn't take my production seriously, it was just an occasional hobby.. Now I'm trying to take production more seriously and am learning from you guys here, and I'd like to get more involved on the board in general, whether thats on the label or not.
I did read the whole thread later and when I read that you ask for info about yourself, I opted for putting more info into the soundcloud description and mentioned that in the post below, because I didn't want to be seen as spamming you with another email.. If you don't want to check the demo on that basis then I can send you another email out at some point.
Look at it this way, if I get 5 demos today I only have time to listen to one, all are written like yours bar one email which has a bit more than, hello, link, bye - something I can see has had a little thought and effort put into - which if those 5 emails will I listen to the demo from?
Someone I can see makes the effort - so probably makes the edgier with their music too and is obviously submitting to te label because they want to be on it, or someone who makes no effort and on initial viewing gives the impression they'd make no effort with their music either?
With such minimal info in the email how would I know to look in the info in soundcloud? Especially as I had nothing sent I me to motivate me (in the form of informing m about you and your music) to click that link?
I don't think it's rude how you addressed your email at all. I think it's thoughtless, and very tardy. Do I really want to engage and work with someone who can't be bothered to make an effort to even sell themselves or stand out a bit from the other demos sent in? Is hat I mean by there's a human being on to the other end of that email is that you have to engage that human being. How would you engage a stranger on the street about your music? Walk up to them out of the blue, say "hey! Listen to this! Cheers!" Or would you attempt to at least justify your reasons for trying to communicate with them to take time out to pay attention to you?
It seems harsh, but in reality it's why so many demos get nowhere, no effort is made and no label wants an artist on board that can't be bothered about even their own music.
So far from rude, just ill thought about and lazy.
That's fair enough, it was lazy of me on the email front. You don't see the effort I put in though to contact you here before it had become an issue and my explaining that I put in a press release and a lot of other details in the sound cloud description. Judged solely on email, yes OK I was pretty thoughtless and I won't be doing that again, but that's clearly not all I did
That's fair enough, it was lazy of me on the email front. You don't see the effort I put in though to contact you here before it had become an issue and my explaining that I put in a press release and a lot of other details in the sound cloud description. Judged solely on email, yes OK I was pretty thoughtless and I won't be doing that again, but that's clearly not all I did.
I'm currently stuck with a track thats private for you to listen to.. Is there a chance you'll listen to it or can I remove it now..
You might want to wait for the next open genre compilation. They just had one and everyone can submit just a track to be judged for entry on the release. It sounds like that might be more what you are looking for. Usually, from what I have seen, the artist releases are pretty in depth, have artwork submitted, have a backstory, inspiration along with a set of tracks, an actual album ready to be mastered for release.
If you read that whole thread you would see that the artist demo submission isn't really for just a stand alone track.
Last edited by Muse-ic; 30-10-2014 at 03:39 PM..
Reason: Word change- release for demo...
OK thanks muse-ic. Before I read your reply I submitted another email again (I don't like being called lazy so I decided to pull my socks up and do a proper job of it this time) to give more of an idea of what I do. It's still one track. If its unacceptable for just one track to be submitted then perhaps you could consider it for a future compilation. If not, I'll keep my more promising work private and send another submission when I have an EPs worth ready. I have already mentioned it before, but it would be great if the information about not sending just one track could be put in the OP, as that will make things much clearer for submitters.
You can send one track in, generally though I'd expect that to be sent as a prospect for a future compilation, or so fucking amazing it says release me with more from this artist!! I think it's important to show you want to be on a label to that label and show that when you're submitting your music you're asking someone to invest in you as an artist (I don't mean financially) knowing what it's about shows that. So I'd half hope people would see we've never had a single track release and as such submit it for the reasons above. I don't want to make it hard as fuck for people to submit their music, on the other hand it has to be in a way that will separate the wheat from the chaff from initial contact. As said previously, if you're too lazy to make a small effort to introduce yourself, stranger, then I don't feel motivated to click that link over someone else's. Everything you need to know is in the op, do I need to update it with "use common sense" as a submission guideline too?
Either way, this doesn't excuse less than 10 words and a link in a contact email, as quite a few people - mostly chancers who aren't even or have never been in the forum - do.
It hasn't pusses me off btw, I'd rather it be discussed if someone doesn't understand than just never get it. You'll find that if you submit to any label looking for quality that these basic requirements are the same.