[Crude_beats]

Originally Posted by t(-.-)t

Right now I´m not that good in composing out of my head, sometimes a new melody just appears inside my head, but I haven´t got perfect pitch, so I can´t write it down when I´m not at home and even if I was it wouldn´t be so easy for my to translate it into my DAW.
How should I practise composing this way?

totally agree with call on response. I found trying to just get down what I think and want to achieve far easier by trial and error then trying to write something out of theory. That said I know the very most basics of theory.

For me when I get an musical idea the best way for me is recording it with my voice somehow. It doesn't need to be perfect pitch at all. Whats important is to get the idea down so you remember it later and can get this musical idea back in your head. You can whistle, hum, lala, whatever. Then just lay down a synth line trying to match the melody. Personally I find it hard to keep the original melody in my head when trying to make it happen, so I need that recording to go back to and remember what I was gonna do or I loose sight of it. And yeah the recording will be more or less off, but your synth shouldn't be. You should know what sound you want. If its supposed to be a higher or lower note. If you have no idea of this you simply need more practice.

I also wanna say I do not only make melodies as the come to my mind. Sometimes I play a instrument until something nice comes a long and I build on that.

[Dugg Funnie]

it doesn't get easier, you just get better at it.

[rapsys]

Being creative doesn't get any easier with practice but using tools to express your creativity does.

[VTechno]

Originally Posted by t(-.-)t

Composing a good melody is quite hard for me...
I watched the live stream of "Tristam" (my favourite artist at the moment) and everytime he worked on something new i wondered how he was able to compose such great melodies in that short time.
I´m producing for about 7 months by now and I dont know that much about music theory (just about chords and scales,...).
Sometimes the melodies just "flow" out of me, but most of the time I´m composing, I´m unhappy with the result.
Is composing great melodies about practising and practising (learning by doing?) or do you just need talent?
Sorry for my bad english...
Thanks for answers

If you read alot of modern psychology, the myth of "genius" has been slightly dispelled to some degree; I agree with the same for talent. If you ever read or analyze anyone that is classified as a savant, or a "genius" in a specific field, you underlying-ly find that there is no such "genius" hidden. It is merely the state of mind / retentive focus. Now this may sound like some big words, but all it means is they're constantly thinking about the subject at mind. You still have to learn what is necessary, but you'r thought process in regards to how you recollect these thoughts (how the thoughts are tied to your memory) is extremely different than the average person. A "savant" is quicker to recall these facts/knowledge (ie. musical melodies, chords, patterns, combinations, etc), merely because this is constantly in their mind all day, every day; instead of having to be recalled from your "knowledge-center" aka your hippocampus region from the brain. A person can train themselves in very different manners to have a different "sense" or manners of perception that activate different forms of memory and recollection.

For example: If you look at some of the smartest / most successful people throughout history, alot of their success and knowledge came from their degree of ambition and determination, and not necessarily solely from their factual knowledge. Im sure there were tons of other physicists that were more intelligent than Einsten during his day, but if you ever read about the man, his thought process of numbers was constantly applying it to real life in his head. He was always thinking about how one thing affected another, and proved his thoughts, with numbers. He was not inherently more intelligent than anyone else during his time, he was just constantly thinking about physics irregardless of his setting. If you look at musical genius'. Someone like Beethoven who was deaf; you truly wonder how a man could be so remarkable with such a handicap, it must be that he is a musical genius correct? Wrong. If you ever played a real piano before, you know that playing the notes gives off a strong resonance, which are vibrations that are absorbed by the nerves at the tip of your fingers. Beethoven was among the first historical recorded cases of natural neural synesthesia. Aka, the process of SEEING sound FREQUENCIES in their NATURAL COLORS. This must be that he was a musical genius right? Incorrect, because he was deaf, the human body likes to have a balance. When you lose function of one sense, the others strengthen as a natural balance in the body. This neural synesthesia allowed Beethoven to "organize" (aka compose) these colors (aka frequencies, aka notes) in patterns (aka melodies and chords) that he liked.

So does this mean that you have to see colors to make music? Absolutely not, this just means that Beethoven, a deaf man, was fascinated with the COLORS, that he "saw in his head", that induced sensations and emotions in his body, that just so happened to be some of the greatest classical compositions in history. haha. Was this an act of genius or an act of a relentlessly determined man, who despite of his handicap, found a method to communicate his emotions to the world?

Moral of the story, learn the musical theory and the "building blocks" of knowledge that you need. Next, become fascinated with the patterns and endless combinations of possibilities there are. Afterwards, become addicted to the tones, melodies, frequencies and sounds of instruments. Explore and dissect the music that you love and enjoy (ie. Pattern of the kicks, snares, claps, tempo, reverb amount, depth amount, keynotes, melodies, etc. Begin to map music in your head to the point that you just have no more space left in your head. To the point where your daw or musical sheet becomes your diary. To the point where a song can be built and designed as soon as the concept slips into your head, so that the idea doesn't escape as quickly as it entered. I think with continuous education, practice and determination, you will find your way of making your thoughts / "flow" come out far easier. (Apologies for the text book of a response)

[t(-.-)t]

Originally Posted by VTechno

If you read alot of modern psychology, the myth of "genius" has been slightly dispelled to some degree; I agree with the same for talent. If you ever read or analyze anyone that is classified as a savant, or a "genius" in a specific field, you underlying-ly find that there is no such "genius" hidden. It is merely the state of mind / retentive focus. Now this may sound like some big words, but all it means is they're constantly thinking about the subject at mind. You still have to learn what is necessary, but you'r thought process in regards to how you recollect these thoughts (how the thoughts are tied to your memory) is extremely different than the average person. A "savant" is quicker to recall these facts/knowledge (ie. musical melodies, chords, patterns, combinations, etc), merely because this is constantly in their mind all day, every day; instead of having to be recalled from your "knowledge-center" aka your hippocampus region from the brain. A person can train themselves in very different manners to have a different "sense" or manners of perception that activate different forms of memory and recollection.

For example: If you look at some of the smartest / most successful people throughout history, alot of their success and knowledge came from their degree of ambition and determination, and not necessarily solely from their factual knowledge. Im sure there were tons of other physicists that were more intelligent than Einsten during his day, but if you ever read about the man, his thought process of numbers was constantly applying it to real life in his head. He was always thinking about how one thing affected another, and proved his thoughts, with numbers. He was not inherently more intelligent than anyone else during his time, he was just constantly thinking about physics irregardless of his setting. If you look at musical genius'. Someone like Beethoven who was deaf; you truly wonder how a man could be so remarkable with such a handicap, it must be that he is a musical genius correct? Wrong. If you ever played a real piano before, you know that playing the notes gives off a strong resonance, which are vibrations that are absorbed by the nerves at the tip of your fingers. Beethoven was among the first historical recorded cases of natural neural synesthesia. Aka, the process of SEEING sound FREQUENCIES in their NATURAL COLORS. This must be that he was a musical genius right? Incorrect, because he was deaf, the human body likes to have a balance. When you lose function of one sense, the others strengthen as a natural balance in the body. This neural synesthesia allowed Beethoven to "organize" (aka compose) these colors (aka frequencies, aka notes) in patterns (aka melodies and chords) that he liked.

So does this mean that you have to see colors to make music? Absolutely not, this just means that Beethoven, a deaf man, was fascinated with the COLORS, that he "saw in his head", that induced sensations and emotions in his body, that just so happened to be some of the greatest classical compositions in history. haha. Was this an act of genius or an act of a relentlessly determined man, who despite of his handicap, found a method to communicate his emotions to the world?

Moral of the story, learn the musical theory and the "building blocks" of knowledge that you need. Next, become fascinated with the patterns and endless combinations of possibilities there are. Afterwards, become addicted to the tones, melodies, frequencies and sounds of instruments. Explore and dissect the music that you love and enjoy (ie. Pattern of the kicks, snares, claps, tempo, reverb amount, depth amount, keynotes, melodies, etc. Begin to map music in your head to the point that you just have no more space left in your head. To the point where your daw or musical sheet becomes your diary. To the point where a song can be built and designed as soon as the concept slips into your head, so that the idea doesn't escape as quickly as it entered. I think with continuous education, practice and determination, you will find your way of making your thoughts / "flow" come out far easier. (Apologies for the text book of a response)

Really interesting statement. Maybe you know Aleksander Vinter, he´s a prodigious savant (with aspergers syndrome and a fracture of ADD) and produces dubstep/complextro under his artist name "Savant" (lol). He released 3 albums this year and is working on the 4. one. (He composed 10000 songs until now)

The thing with talent... I think "talent" is the result of starting doing something
, like playing an instrument, in the early childhood and practising it over and over again (children also learn faster) and having something like a good musical ear. (some are born with them)

I´ll try doing my best, thanks for your response!

[Dugg Funnie]

I dont think hes actually savant; and i loved the Vario album but everything since that has been pretty much the same songs. Say more accurately id say savant has written 4 songs 10,000 times. Literally same presets and samples.

An talent aint shit, you gotta be a hustler

[t(-.-)t]

Originally Posted by Dugg Funnie

I dont think hes actually savant; and i loved the Vario album but everything since that has been pretty much the same songs. Say more accurately id say savant has written 4 songs 10,000 times. Literally same presets and samples.

An talent aint shit, you gotta be a hustler

I´m sure he is a savant. He finished 20 tracks for his 4. album in one week, but he still wants to spice them. He has also got some other projects like "Vinter in Hollywood". It´s true that some of his songs sound quite similar, but I think that´s his style for that project.

soundcloud ( . ) com/aleksander-vinter/the-christopher-walkens he made this EP for his pretended band "the Christopher Walkens" in under 5 hours.

[Dugg Funnie]

Originally Posted by t(-.-)t

I´m sure he is a savant. He finished 20 tracks for his 4. album in one week, but he still wants to spice them. He has also got some other projects like "Vinter in Hollywood". It´s true that some of his songs sound quite similar, but I think that´s his style for that project.

soundcloud ( . ) com/aleksander-vinter/the-christopher-walkens he made this EP for his pretended band "the Christopher Walkens" in under 5 hours.

Or so we're told. Also, pardon the shit grammar of my last post; internet was down and I was browsin on the phone (like a fucking boss). And, I'm not going to waste time arguing definitions of mental illness here; I did that once and was met with a bunch of rubbish masquerading as debate.

So in closing, if you like his music dig it. I like Vario and I still listen to some tracks from time to time, but I personally think it got stale fast; so I don't listen lolz. Freedom is fun! peace and love brotha.

[t(-.-)t]

Originally Posted by Dugg Funnie

Or so we're told. Also, pardon the shit grammar of my last post; internet was down and I was browsin on the phone (like a fucking boss). And, I'm not going to waste time arguing definitions of mental illness here; I did that once and was met with a bunch of rubbish masquerading as debate.

So in closing, if you like his music dig it. I like Vario and I still listen to some tracks from time to time, but I personally think it got stale fast; so I don't listen lolz. Freedom is fun! peace and love brotha.

Yeah, let´s stop arguing about it.

[neyus]

yea the learning curve really depends on natural talent....