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Old 07-08-2017, 09:32 AM   #1
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Product Demos Using Talented Keyboardists: Deceptive?

It Sorta Irks me all the Demos for synths and sample libraries out there that use an accomplished keyboardist to Demo the capabilities. They always play some intricate piece that sounds a lot like preset songs on a yamaha keyboard. Little Jazzy, a lot of the stuff they play would be suitable in a Jazzy Poetry night club or a bar. That sorta sound from 20 years or even further back. But then you go to the song DEMOS of some of these products and NOT A SINGLE one sounds like it has commercial quality. Well... maybe like some infomercials maybe but not cinematic/epic/big/ sounds that can be found in movies, electronic music, etc. Basically their musical ability, I believe, is masking the lower quality of the product. Am I way off here? What do you think?

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Old 07-08-2017, 06:18 PM   #2
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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

this is contrary to a lot of synth demos where some dude plunks around and says, well... im not really a keyboard player.

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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

If you can't play with the dynamics / expressiveness of a professional keyboardist, join the club. The same thing happens when you buy a drum kit - no shit, you're not as good as the guy who sold it to you, so it's always going to be a disappointment if you think you'll be able to pull it off.

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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

Yeah, I think you're off here. We're not talking about a violin or a piano where there's a defining physical interaction between player and instrument that creates the sound. Because of the nature of the instrument, that synth sounds exactly the same when I play it badly as when Jordan Rudess jams on it. If you think 'wow, that pad sounds amazing!', that pad is absolutely available to you. The quality of playing doesn't affect the quality of the sounds. If you're unable to discern the difference it's a matter of perception and understanding on your end.

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Old 14-08-2017, 09:46 PM   #5
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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

Some thoughts about this:
- if the presets have velocity and aftertouch assignments and other modulation assignments for MIDI controllers (such as making use of Serums 4 macros), demo songs can use this extensively
- simpler demos might just play the main sound without automating or changing anything such as macros, mod, pitch or even velocity
- good chord progressions can make a "normal" pad sound really nice, combined with stuff like aftertouch or modulation this might lead to massive differences compared to someone just triggering a few notes

This is not necessarily a matter of preset quality imho - some preset packs are made for more classical playing styles and depend on making use of velocity and aftertouch, others are made for modern controllers and focus more on macro assignments, others are made more for just programming melodies and feature a lot of automatic modulation but nothing controllable and sound great but always the same...

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Old 14-09-2017, 02:24 PM   #6
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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

I pretty much agree with all you guys on this.
I actually used to be a talented keyboardist too, until my nerve damage and memory problems from medical malpractice of misprescribed drugs.

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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

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this is contrary to a lot of synth demos where some dude plunks around and says, well... im not really a keyboard player.
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Re: Product Demos Using Talented Keyboardists: Deceptive?

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It Sorta Irks me all the Demos for synths and sample libraries out there that use an accomplished keyboardist to Demo the capabilities. They always play some intricate piece that sounds a lot like preset songs on a yamaha keyboard. Little Jazzy, a lot of the stuff they play would be suitable in a Jazzy Poetry night club or a bar. That sorta sound from 20 years or even further back. But then you go to the song DEMOS of some of these products and NOT A SINGLE one sounds like it has commercial quality. Well... maybe like some infomercials maybe but not cinematic/epic/big/ sounds that can be found in movies, electronic music, etc. Basically their musical ability, I believe, is masking the lower quality of the product. Am I way off here? What do you think?
While I totally agree with what the rest of the guys have posted here, I also get what you mean..I think.

I've watched demos in the past for preset packs and samples and they have sounded out of this world, but when I've gone to use them myself, they've sounded flat and dead compared to how they sounded in the demo. My take on this is the reason for this is not the presets or samples directly, but how you, as an artist, use them after the fact.

Those sounds you heard in the demo are the same ones you now think are shit..the only difference is how you've processed them on your end of things. The sounds have, in most cases, been recorded as clearly and as uncolored as possible, meaning it's up to you to add FX and filters to them to make them come to life in your mix. In other words, it's more about your mixing skills than it is about the sounds themselves. Think of them are a starting point..an ingredient in the mix ( pun intended) that you need to add and you are supposed to know how much you need to add. I've bought sounds in the past for use with NI's Kontakt and they sounded nothing like they did in the demo, but when I edited them, man did they shine!

That's not to say you don't get complete crap sounds out there..you do, but you can usually tell they're crap up front, as they'll sound "off" or "sub-par" in the demo to begin with. I don't know if that makes any kind of sense to you, but that's my experiences when it comes to this topic.

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Re: Demonstrations Using Talented Keyboardists

This video of world renowned pianist herbie hancock lying through his arse trying to sell a korg keyboard is so weird to watch

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