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Old 10-08-2017, 05:52 PM   #1
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Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

A number of producers lately have been using a technique where you will hear a sound sometime a sample, sometimes a synth and its being gated or turned on an off in a rhythmic way with some notes healed longer than others, I am wondering if anyone has insight into how this is being done. Here are a few examples of this effect in different contexts. Any help would be very appreciated. Also if you know how to do this in reason that would be super helpful.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

As you question suggests, chances are they've used some sort of gate to do this. There's a load to choose from out there..but it mostly comes down to how much you want to spend..or if you don't have anything to spend at all. Just do a search for "best free gate plugin" and you'll find something that fits with your workflow.

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from Cableguys, then you can get some really interesting alternating motion in your mix.It's not really that hard to do what you're asking about..it just takes a little time and practice and you'll be gating like a pro in no time.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

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I find all the presets are not what Im looking for, can it do those on off stutters you hear in the links I posted?
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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

Tedious but manual chopping can work.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

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I find all the presets are not what Im looking for, can it do those on off stutters you hear in the links I posted?
i would imagine so...

i dont use the preset s neither... i always reset the device and start from scratch. tbh my internet connection doesnt like videos atm so i cant listen to them right now. but i will soon and will get back to you.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

TBH I would have guessed these were done with granular synthesis with long grains.

Could snappy volume automation work as well?

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TBH I would have guessed these were done with granular synthesis with long grains.

Could snappy volume automation work as well?
yes.
Also, there is a DirectX plugin from AnalagX.com called Audio Arpeggiator (or something like that) which works really well.

DirectX doesn't have plugin delay compensation, but the timing of the plug is still pretty good. I've been using AudioArp since the Windows 98 SE days.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

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TBH I would have guessed these were done with granular synthesis with long grains.

Could snappy volume automation work as well?
Ahh interesting. People are always talking about granular synthesis in reference to this style of music. Could you explain a bit more? So my impression is that you insert sound samples then it splits them up into little pieces and reorganizes or stretches out parts?

How does long grains achieve stuttered effects like this?

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

most compressors have a noise gate within them, if this isn't getting the rhythmic sounds you're looking for, as was suggested, automating the volume, though tedious, will allow endless possibilities.
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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

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Ahh interesting. People are always talking about granular synthesis in reference to this style of music. Could you explain a bit more? So my impression is that you insert sound samples then it splits them up into little pieces and reorganizes or stretches out parts?
I don't use granular synthesis myself, but that's my understanding of it. People usually seem to do small grains, but I don't see why you couldn't do larger ones with some randomized timing to get those strange rhythms. I don't know if such a tool exists though. As far as whether the other song you linked is granular, it doesn't sound like it to me, sounds more like delay/ filter modulation. Modulate delay/ reverb time while it's playing and you can get different textures out of it.

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A number of producers lately have been using a technique where you will hear a sound sometime a sample, sometimes a synth and its being gated or turned on an off in a rhythmic way with some notes healed longer than others, I am wondering if anyone has insight into how this is being done. Here are a few examples of this effect in different contexts. Any help would be very appreciated. Also if you know how to do this in reason that would be super helpful.

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Ok I finally got around to listening to your examples.

I would guess the first track is using a side chain on a gated pad, pretty simple.

Second one even simpler use a short decay/release and some delay on the lead sound adjust the delay settings accordingly.

Last one seems trickier, might be doable manually then resampled since it seems to stay the same throughout what I managed to listen, or it could be done with some weird granular thing, but I am not sure on that one. But manually could get you close for sure, then it's a question of getting additional effects right.

Edit: my order is reverse, I went bottom up, cuz you know, why not!

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

1) Tremolo. Gapper, stutter, rhythm-gate, trance-gate, etc. It has many names. It's basically volume automation, or volume/amplitude assigned to a saw or sine LFO. Then modulate/automate the rate/speed (and/or LFO shape) for a more evolving sound.

2) Bandpassed (high res) noise, distortion and reverb.

3) Some noise through any tremolo/gapper/stutter/trance-gate/rhythm-gate.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

I think it may be something like the Cableguys' shaper plug-ins. You create a bunch of sound layers and then gate them in and out rhytmically. That's the easiest way I know to get something like it. They let you work in multiband mode so you can cut off the low end, while the mids keep playing, have them pitched and panned differently, etc. I need to get them myself, when I'm less broke.
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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

If you're on Live you can just draw a volume automation to your heart's content. Can be as long or as short as you like. You can do that on filter or volume.
But the first track you linked seems more like a very fast beat repeat effect, different from the other two examples.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

So, something I like to do is make a monophonic fast attack midi pattern on a track and send the output pre fader to the side chain input on a gate on the track I would like to slice. Turn the fader to zero on the midi sequence. Bam, sequenced gating exactly as I would like.

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Re: Creating those on/off rhythmic gated sounds

Regarding granular synthesis..I seriously doubt that's what was used to do the examples you listed here. I'm not saying you couldn't use any of the granular synthesis VSTs out there to do this..just that it's hard to see anyone going down that road, when there's far easier ways of getting the same sound.

WN is right about the whole small grain thing..that's how granular synthesis basically works, but what such programs tend to do with that grain is a little more complex. The short explanation below is taken from [Only registered and activated users can see links. Click here to register]
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"In short: Granular Synthesis is a method by which sounds are broken into tiny grains which are then redistributed and reorganised to form other sounds."

Check out the site..it really is a great resource if you new to the world of GS and want to get an insight into how it all works. They also have a list of software with links, if you want to jump in and start learning hands-on how to achieve the effect(..both free and paid).

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