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Old 02-10-2016, 07:25 PM   #31381
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The main reason I suggest remaining at the same distance is unless he really understands the dynamics of his own voice and how it is effecting the overall signal and sound he is creating by stepping or leaning back, he may just be inducing more issues in doing so.

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Old 02-10-2016, 07:42 PM   #31382
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Recording vocals is buttass hard, If the mic input is too low, the quiet parts get drowned in the noise floor, but if it's too high, CLIP CITY


is it time to get an ~✧*:・゚Audio Interface*:・゚✧~??
Turning down the input is not what you want to do at all since it is greatly effecting the signal to noise floor ratio. Stay as high as possible. An interface will help with a cleaner signal and less noise floor which in turn gives you more headroom in itself.

Try to look up and understand the frequency response chart and polar patterns of your mic as well.

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Old 02-10-2016, 07:50 PM   #31383
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Stay as high as possible.
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Old 02-10-2016, 08:37 PM   #31384
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^ As long as you at least took something from it

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Old 02-10-2016, 09:00 PM   #31385
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decided to follow a seminar on US civilization called "Mainstream and Marginality in the US" I was like "oh cool, counterculture shit!" and well of course it's a fucking economy class. The fuck, I never read a single article about economics in my whole life. Well, gotta start somewhere.

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Old 02-10-2016, 10:41 PM   #31386
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Re: The off topic thread

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What's your soundcard? Laptop integrated thing?

YEP

Taking all of the responses together, it sounds like I really oughtta get an interface. I don't even turn the input down that low, but the noise floor seems rather high, probably because I'm using a usb mic on a shitty laptop.

Also I don't even have a mic stand lol, but I ought get one too. I knew about the "look up slightly to open throat" thing, and I try my best to keep it higher so you don't have to slouch down to sing into it...but we still record everything sitting at this point woopz.

Also I noticed that the sound changes a bit depending on how close you are to the mic. I'd rather avoid using distance to level volume when I can.

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Old 02-10-2016, 10:59 PM   #31387
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Re: The off topic thread

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YEP

Taking all of the responses together, it sounds like I really oughtta get an interface. I don't even turn the input down that low, but the noise floor seems rather high, probably because I'm using a usb mic on a shitty laptop.

Also I don't even have a mic stand lol, but I ought get one too. I knew about the "look up slightly to open throat" thing, and I try my best to keep it higher so you don't have to slouch down to sing into it...but we still record everything sitting at this point woopz.

Also I noticed that the sound changes a bit depending on how close you are to the mic. I'd rather avoid using distance to level volume when I can.

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its the proximity effect, the closer you are the more low end it has? if the range in volume of his voice during one take is so much that its too quiet one minute and clipping the next you have 3 immediate options:

move the bloke closer and further away, change the gain during the performance, use a compressor. you don't really want to be compressing as it goes in because you cant un compress it later if you make a mistake and if the range is as extreme as it sounds you would have to compress quite a bit too. you don't want to piss about with the gain either I would suggest. he really doesn't have to move far at all, doesn't even need to move his feet just lean back a bit

rewired has been on courses though so even though he didn't once mention a solution to your problem he did say not to take my advice so that settles that

you could try compressing to control the dynamics as long as you don't alter the dynamics of the signal

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Old 02-10-2016, 11:50 PM   #31388
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Your advice was telling him to move more during his performance and look down into the mic lol. It must be tiring being you, disputing everyone all the time.

Yes my audio degree instantly gives me more credibility then you man, simple. I studied the shit out of signal flow. Ran a neotek, neve vr, and SSL console. Learned proper mic techniques and an understanding of how a mic itself works, how to read polar patterns and frequency response charts, etc., etc..

People who don't understand compression will advise against it but I am telling you I seen plenty of professional engineers use plenty of it in the recording phase!

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Old Yesterday, 12:04 AM   #31389
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Re: The off topic thread

Oh boys, stop it! Don't fight because of little ol' me~




But seriously just don't.



I would like to clarify also: There's really not a huge amount of dynamics in the performance; There's no whispering to suddenly yelling or anything like that. But a normal amount of dynamics is still such that I have to worry that the quiet parts will get noise fucked and the loud parts will clip. Ideally I think I need to be able to compress/limit before it even hits the sound card but obviously I can't do that yet (and also might be wrong as fuck because recording is obviously not my strong suit )

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Re: The off topic thread

ive got a music production degree you arse

edit: Its really tiring

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I wonder where the recent-esque "hipster scene" revival of undying love for Fleetwood Mac came from....

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Old Yesterday, 05:02 AM   #31392
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Re: The off topic thread

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Oh boys, stop it! Don't fight because of little ol' me~




But seriously just don't.



I would like to clarify also: There's really not a huge amount of dynamics in the performance; There's no whispering to suddenly yelling or anything like that. But a normal amount of dynamics is still such that I have to worry that the quiet parts will get noise fucked and the loud parts will clip. Ideally I think I need to be able to compress/limit before it even hits the sound card but obviously I can't do that yet (and also might be wrong as fuck because recording is obviously not my strong suit )
I def suggest an interface! With the increased sample and bit rate, that will give you a lot more dynamic range then you currently have and will help with situations like this one for sure

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There's nothing wrong with sitting down to sing, in theory. It depends on context, the individual style of the singer, genre, etc. I wouldn't suggest it if you were singing opera or showtunes but if you're not using much of your diaphragm and singing in more of a pop/rock/folk style then I don't see a problem, especially if you tend to perform sat down anyway.

The mic position also depends on the vocal and performance style and the recording conditions - most performers will not sing up live (Liam Gallagher style), while vocal recording booths traditionally have the mic high. How you choose to do it should fit the requirements of the singer and the recording conditions.

On the subject of input levels, you need to get as hot a signal as possible especially if your setup is noisy (which it will be using an integrated soundcard). Lower input level will mean a lower signal to noise ratio when you come to amplify the recording. There will be more hiss, fuzz, strange right angled blocks of DC offset and digital weirdness. Higher input levels might mean more hiss if you're not taking advantage of the dynamic range, but that's mainly down to individual vocal style and mic technique. Find the balance that's right for the circumstances and voice.

Check out Lenny Peters's sat down singing and fucking weird mic technique which seemed to work for him:


Also mic choice is super important. The rule of thumb drilled into me was to use a mic that best compliments the style of singer (e.g. if they have a bright/lispy sibilance use a mic with a duller response, if they have a dull/muffled voice, choose a mic with a brighter response). If you don't have a choice of mics you can experiment with adding/removing pop shields and windscreens. Try to get the sound as good as you can before resorting to EQ and compression, IMO.

You can make a decent pop shield from an old pair of tights and a bent wire coat hanger. A pop shield will probably fix a lot of plosive clipping problems. You can also make a kiiiind of ghetto recording booth with a cardboard box lined with a thick fleece garment or towel and the mic fixed at the back. It seems like a silly idea but it can work wonders in reducing reflections and ambient noise.

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I have a pop filter, and we record in my clothes-filled walk-in closet. The clothes lining the walls really work wonders as far as ghetto recording booths go

I'm wondering if picking up a usb mic ages ago wasn't such a good idea

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I think you can probably hack a jack socket to a USB mic, assuming you can access the analogue part of the signal without fucking up the mic casing itself. The + and - wires leading off from the business end would do, just solder (or really tightly splice and glue) some wires from those points to the + and - wires of a jack cable. Preferably do it lower down the signal path so you're not changing the internal physical characteristics of the mic casing though.

Probably lots of health and safety reasons not to do that, but fuck it. If the analogue signal travels all the way down the USB cable you could make a nice female USB to female jack adaptor. Just avoid the +5V (or whatever it is) pin. If there's some bulky box (perhaps with a volume control?) on the USB cable, that would be a great place to do the hack (preferably on the volume control output pins but essentially before any analogue-to-digital witchcraft).

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Re: The off topic thread

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There's nothing wrong with sitting down to sing, in theory. It depends on context, the individual style of the singer, genre, etc. I wouldn't suggest it if you were singing opera or showtunes but if you're not using much of your diaphragm and singing in more of a pop/rock/folk style then I don't see a problem, especially if you tend to perform sat down anyway.

The mic position also depends on the vocal and performance style and the recording conditions - most performers will not sing up live (Liam Gallagher style), while vocal recording booths traditionally have the mic high. How you choose to do it should fit the requirements of the singer and the recording conditions.

On the subject of input levels, you need to get as hot a signal as possible especially if your setup is noisy (which it will be using an integrated soundcard). Lower input level will mean a lower signal to noise ratio when you come to amplify the recording. There will be more hiss, fuzz, strange right angled blocks of DC offset and digital weirdness. Higher input levels might mean more hiss if you're not taking advantage of the dynamic range, but that's mainly down to individual vocal style and mic technique. Find the balance that's right for the circumstances and voice.

Check out Lenny Peters's sat down singing and fucking weird mic technique which seemed to work for him:


Also mic choice is super important. The rule of thumb drilled into me was to use a mic that best compliments the style of singer (e.g. if they have a bright/lispy sibilance use a mic with a duller response, if they have a dull/muffled voice, choose a mic with a brighter response). If you don't have a choice of mics you can experiment with adding/removing pop shields and windscreens. Try to get the sound as good as you can before resorting to EQ and compression, IMO.

You can make a decent pop shield from an old pair of tights and a bent wire coat hanger. A pop shield will probably fix a lot of plosive clipping problems. You can also make a kiiiind of ghetto recording booth with a cardboard box lined with a thick fleece garment or towel and the mic fixed at the back. It seems like a silly idea but it can work wonders in reducing reflections and ambient noise.
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I wonder where the recent-esque "hipster scene" revival of undying love for Fleetwood Mac came from....

They toured not too long ago. Also they are/were a great band and all...and like most people with half a heart in their chest, I love this song:




So good. So damn good.

I wanted to buy three ticks for my mum, sis and me but I had no money. How's that for a story.
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I have a pop filter, and we record in my clothes-filled walk-in closet. The clothes lining the walls really work wonders as far as ghetto recording booths go
If you only have one or two mics, then mic choice isn't really going to help you. Mic choice with two mics is just reminding you that you have no choice.

If you don't have a preamp, then checking your levels isn't really going to help you. More than anything, vocals really need preamps.

It's already been said that you could just buy an audio interface. But if you can't afford one, you could always just try the old punch in punch out and set your levels accordingly for each stage of the performance. You won't be able to do the whole performance in a single take, but you can still at least get a clean signal and capture everything you need.

Another option if you don't want a preamp is to get a mic pad (I'm assuming your mic doesn't have one) like this:
http://www.earthworksaudio.com/produ...ries/mic-pads/

The result is 20dB of attenuation which should provide you with a dynamic range more suited to the performance.

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I'm wondering if picking up a usb mic ages ago wasn't such a good idea
Well, there's nothing wrong with the mic itself. If you have predictable levels (like dialog) then it's perfect as is. But if you have something less predictable (like singing or instrument playing) then you're going to have these problems.

Regardless of whether it's a USB or traditional mic. You're always going to encounter these problems with larger condensers.

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