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Old 01-08-2013, 02:46 PM   #1
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Music Theory Question

I don't have a musical background and as a result I have zero knowledge of any musical theory. So my question is, do bass lines and melodies stick to a scale. I've noticed when I mess around in the piano roll it can take me ages to hit a harmonic note and I'm wondering if it's due to my ignorance. I've been told you don't need to learn any theory to produce electronic music, however I'm starting to believe that isn't the best advice.

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You don't need any theory to produce electronic music...

But that doesn't mean that it wouldn't help you a ton.

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Re: Music Theory Question

Yes, you usually want to stick to scale. Otherwise it can sound really weird. But one doesn't have to stick to scale.

Some even stick to root note of the chord that is being played, but that's not necessary if you know some theory. Then you are free to move around the scale as you see fit (i.e walking bass).

Yes, music theory usually helps if you have no music theory in the first place.

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Re: Music Theory Question

Whilst its true you do not need to learn music theory in order to produce music (not just Electronic), I believe it is wise to do so if your going to spend alot of time making music.

Furthermore to answer your original question yes it would be best to stay in a scale with the bassline and melody, but remember there are lots of different scales! If you can't be arsed to learn Music Thoery then google a certain scale like "A Minor" then look at the notes you can play and play around with them till your happy.

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Re: Music Theory Question

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I don't have a musical background and as a result I have zero knowledge of any musical theory. So my question is, do bass lines and melodies stick to a scale. I've noticed when I mess around in the piano roll it can take me ages to hit a harmonic note and I'm wondering if it's due to my ignorance. I've been told you don't need to learn any theory to produce electronic music, however I'm starting to believe that isn't the best advice.
You can come up to speed real quick just doing a quick internet search on scales and harmony. I'm going to quote the annoyingly overused quote- learn the rules so you can break them.

Harmony is really quite easy if you know scales/chords. As you learn you will develop your ear and you won't need to get so bogged down in theory details.
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I've had a quick glance at this and it's all too overwhelming and I'm not sure whats necessary. Could you guys give me an idea of what I should be learning.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:45 AM   #9
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Re: Music Theory Question

Stick to learning simple things like chords, to start. Buy a chord book for piano, or find some chord charts or videos/DVDs and work on that for a while. Scales are going to come naturally once the chords are in your brain.

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This helped me oodles... its got enough to help you, but not too much to confuse you.. Enjoy! also he is quite funny!

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I've had a quick glance at this and it's all too overwhelming and I'm not sure whats necessary. Could you guys give me an idea of what I should be learning.
One thing that hasn't been mentioned yet, but is a large part of understanding scales and chords is intervals (the ratio between pitches, or more simply, the distance between two notes on a keyboard) and their melodic/harmonic relationships. I mean, even if you know your major and minor scales, if you don't understand what intervals are consonant or dissonant, you're still going to struggle to build an effective melody.

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Old 02-08-2013, 07:03 PM   #13
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It's not somewthing you learn in a week or a month, it takes a lifetime and then some to master this kind of thing. Dont expect to be a shredder on the piano by Xmas bro. It isnt gonna happen.

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I don't have a musical background and as a result I have zero knowledge of any musical theory. So my question is, do bass lines and melodies stick to a scale. I've noticed when I mess around in the piano roll it can take me ages to hit a harmonic note and I'm wondering if it's due to my ignorance. I've been told you don't need to learn any theory to produce electronic music, however I'm starting to believe that isn't the best advice.
you really don't put it could help... just pay attention to what you hear.. if it's good and in key it's good.. if it's not its not..

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you really don't put it could help... just pay attention to what you hear.. if it's good and in key it's good.. if it's not its not..
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Re: Music Theory Question

I'm not going to lie I think I would be overwhelmed like OP if I had no natural talent in music when it comes to knowing scales, chords, staying in key etc.

Good news is if you have a sense of RHYTHM it might help your music theory along the way.

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