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Old 08-05-2014, 12:44 AM   #1
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Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

I would personally like to see a sub genre of techno that is all hardware..Mechanical techno or something to that effect.To show what hardware can truly do..adn also to show where all this electronic music came from ...was born from..

I would also like to see an insurgence of some of the older gear make an entrance into our field again..the classic sounds..

but that is just me..Guess I am one of those where we come from types..

Nice topic Relic..

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I would personally like to see a sub genre of techno that is all hardware..Mechanical techno or something to that effect.To show what hardware can truly do..adn also to show where all this electronic music came from ...was born from..

I would also like to see an insurgence of some of the older gear make an entrance into our field again..the classic sounds..

but that is just me..Guess I am one of those where we come from types..

Nice topic Relic..
Yea. It just feels right to me. Reading the Machine Love series on Resident Advisor has me thinking about this....all these cats still holding on to tmthe hardware method for dance oriented 4x4 music.

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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

I think some of it has to do with it being tangible.Not that VST causes a distance..just that so some odd reason..when you twist a real knob..patch a real cord..slide a real ADSR..you connect..becomes and extension of yourself.

Man reason I have so man damned controllers..even for what I do as a mix engineer..yah the plugs looks awesome on the screen but I feel connected when a twist a knob adn the knobs moves on screen..feels natural to me..could just e due to all years in studios..but its me..I could just be a total loon also..that is always an option..

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Old 08-05-2014, 04:44 AM   #5
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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

I cant afford it so never gonna happen for me.

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Old 08-05-2014, 01:03 PM   #6
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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

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I think some of it has to do with it being tangible.Not that VST causes a distance..just that so some odd reason..when you twist a real knob..patch a real cord..slide a real ADSR..you connect..becomes and extension of yourself.

Man reason I have so man damned controllers..even for what I do as a mix engineer..yah the plugs looks awesome on the screen but I feel connected when a twist a knob adn the knobs moves on screen..feels natural to me..could just e due to all years in studios..but its me..I could just be a total loon also..that is always an option..
100% agree...I swear when I am using a mouse there is an extra thought involved...like my brain has to perform three tasks: move the mouse>move the fader>turn the volume down. And I swear something is lost because of the extra step. Even in mixing where it seems it wouldnt matter as much to have that tacticle experience there is a difference.



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I cant afford it so never gonna happen for me.
On the other hand I am glad making music has become affordable through personal computers. Because that means more m inds can get on this thing and we get to hear those ideas.

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Old 08-05-2014, 01:22 PM   #7
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I cant afford it so never gonna happen for me.
That's the size of it really.

But even if I did, would I buy a 303 and an 808 etc? Doubtful. Space is also an issue.

I'm quite happy just trying to make the music of the future and appreciating music past.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:43 PM   #8
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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

See also how Detroit declined, maybe it's time to move with the times, innovate and try a hybrid setup, not forgetting the hardware assembly lines machines, but innovating them with today's opportunities.

Times have changed and we moved from heavy industry to mostly advanced tertiary and service industry, maybe our music should reflect this change as well?
Shouldn't we aim to reproduce the grind of today's office routine, the anonimity of production as nothing more than a bunch of data in cyberspace?
And what best to use the same machines?

And you know that this is coming from a guy who doesn't get inspired by software.

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Old 08-05-2014, 02:15 PM   #9
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See also how Detroit declined, maybe it's time to move with the times, innovate and try a hybrid setup, not forgetting the hardware assembly lines machines, but innovating them with today's opportunities.

Times have changed and we moved from heavy industry to mostly advanced tertiary and service industry, maybe our music should reflect this change as well?
Shouldn't we aim to reproduce the grind of today's office routine, the anonimity of production as nothing more than a bunch of data in cyberspace?
And what best to use the same machines?

And you know that this is coming from a guy who doesn't get inspired by software.
That is a really interesting point...who is doing this in music now though? I honestly dont have a good answer of who represents this. The music would still be loop based like Techno? The whole EDM craze is the opposite of this in some regards as it is about image and fun. Or is the idea of grinding out paint by numbers tracks enough to fulfill this?

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Old 08-05-2014, 02:20 PM   #10
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Who really cares how it's made really? To me it's about the intention behind it rather than the tools used.
It's more accessible these days is the only difference, at the start of techno there wasn't the software availability that there is these days, and likewise a lot of amazing and inspiring producers/artists would never be able to get their inspirations across not least because of monetary constraints.
Techno was and is always about a unity of people, so it only being true techno if made with machines kind of defeats that whole ethos.
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Who really cares how it's made really? To me it's about the intention behind it rather than the tools used.
It's more accessible these days is the only difference, at the start of techno there wasn't the software availability that there is these days, and likewise a lot of amazing and inspiring producers/artists would never be able to get their inspirations across not least because of monetary constraints.
Techno was and is always about a unity of people, so it only being true techno if made with machines kind of defeats that whole ethos.
Yes. I think I have worded things poorly. You are correct in the end it doesnt matter how it is made. And I like the part about the unity of people...which makes me think about what Auto had to say...the personal computer really opened up the culture of Techno to a wider audience in a variety of ways...but there is that whole concept of the screen between us...not that people still dont go to parties...but I think there are people experiencing dance culture from completely behind a screen.

I guess in the end I am just particularly interested in the new relationship the music has with the technology surrounding it...as I always felt Techno (and I suppose dance music in general) has had a special relationship to the technology of the time.

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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

Dunno about unity of people tbh, met some proper harsh wankers at some techno raves over the years, but yeah, we're way past caring. If it's good techno who cares?
Did you hear Triton's No Floors LP? Pretty sure he didn't use any hardware for that and it's really good.

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Yes. I think I have worded things poorly. You are correct in the end it doesnt matter how it is made. And I like the part about the unity of people...which makes me think about what Auto had to say...the personal computer really opened up the culture of Techno to a wider audience in a variety of ways...but there is that whole concept of the screen between us...not that people still dont go to parties...but I think there are people experiencing dance culture from completely behind a screen.

I guess in the end I am just particularly interested in the new relationship the music has with the technology surrounding it...as I always felt Techno (and I suppose dance music in general) has had a special relationship to the technology of the time.
If you're really into techno and dancing you shouldn't be looking at the dj imo.

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If you're really into techno and dancing you shouldn't be looking at the dj imo.
Fair point. And fair points all around

I guess I saw a conversation where there wasnt one ;p

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Dunno about unity of people tbh, met some proper harsh wankers at some techno raves over the years, but yeah, we're way past caring. If it's good techno who cares?
Did you hear Triton's No Floors LP? Pretty sure he didn't use any hardware for that and it's really good.


hehe yeah, there's wankers everywhere. doesn't mean they don't come together in unity too


to be honset, there's a collective up here that like to call themselves "North Wales Techno Crew!!" most of them are so far up their own arses it's just the opposite of what you'd want from a rave when they get their little clique together
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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

Isn't it funny that if we were in the states we'd be living relatively close to each other and would probably be going to the same parties, but over here Wales seems like a world away.

Tell them I've never heard of them.

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Re: Should Techno Be All Hardware in the Studio, Live, Both?

my kind of techno should be made with hammers, on the skulls of your defeated enemies

i think most of the techno i enjoy can and must be made on raw machinery and as live as possible, with very slow changes over time and at least 10 minutes per track - preferably an endless jam. i need to feel like a goddamn shaman

thats what techno is for me, thats how it started (epic acid orgies on faulty equipment). i dont own much gear nowadays so what i do is prepare some noisy samples, load a ton of them and arrange very basic patterns and then jam for ages

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my kind of techno should be made with hammers, on the skulls of your defeated enemies

i think most of the techno i enjoy can and must be made on raw machinery and as live as possible, with very slow changes over time and at least 10 minutes per track - preferably an endless jam. i need to feel like a goddamn shaman

thats what techno is for me, thats how it started (epic acid orgies on faulty equipment). i dont own much gear nowadays so what i do is prepare some noisy samples, load a ton of them and arrange very basic patterns and then jam for ages
That is kind of the vibe I am feeling at the moment, personally. But that is more so from the musicians standpoint rather than the audience's standpoint. And that isn't to say I wouldn't enjoy say 3 hours of Techno all made on a laptop and mixed with Virtual DJ.

I don't even want it done on expensive vintage gear or boutique gear. More so whatever can be cobbled together, that seems more true to whatever harebrained nonsense my half-burnt-out bulb is cooking up.

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I dunno a lot of the strictly "hardware" techno that I hear is just kind of boring. The same tired sounds used and the arrangement is not nearly as interesting. I'm sure there are some counter examples but that's my impression. I know its cool to throw a bunch of x0x machines through distortion pedals and release it on vinyl but it all sounds a bit samey to me. The people I find doing the most interesting work are usually heavy software users. Techno to me is about the future and embracing new ways of doing things.

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I dunno a lot of the strictly "hardware" techno that I hear is just kind of boring. The same tired sounds used and the arrangement is not nearly as interesting. I'm sure there are some counter examples but that's my impression. I know its cool to throw a bunch of x0x machines through distortion pedals and release it on vinyl but it all sounds a bit samey to me. The people I find doing the most interesting work are usually heavy software users. Techno to me is about the future and embracing new ways of doing things.
Yea. Very true. I have been very disappointed about "Live PA" acts in the past...defo heard a lot of long, boring arrangements where it being "live" and "hardware" were supposed to be selling points (excuses/?) for mediocre tracks.

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